Why do you believe in God?

Hey, first of all, I’m sorry that you’ve been going through a rough time lately. You’ll be in my prayers and I hope that, even if it breaks you at first, you’ll come out of this stronger. And I want to apologize in advance in case I end up typing too much or if nothing I say is helpful.

My first prayer was a last resort – I was struggling with my mental and physical health, and my friends were slowly abandoning me. I tried opening myself up to God because I figured that “it couldn’t make anything worse” but I was fully expecting nothing to happen. To my surprise, praying gave me a sense of peace that I didn’t realize was possible in the midst of dark circumstances.

From that moment, I knew I wanted to learn more about Christianity, and when I found Jesus, I also found a new perspective on suffering.

You’ve likely already heard the gospel before – God came to earth as a man in the person of Jesus Christ. He was fully God and fully human, He lived the perfect life we could not live and died on the cross as the perfect sacrifice for our sins. After three days He was resurrected, defeating death and providing the way for us to have perfect fellowship with our Creator as long as we accept His sacrifice on our behalf. It’s a message we can too easily accept as a nice story without thinking about what it truly means.

It means that you are never alone. Jesus knows what it’s like to be human. He knows what it’s like to be tired, to have people making demands on Him on all the time, to be betrayed by His friends, to be attacked. He knows sadness, anger, loss, and suffering. That means that you’re never more than a prayer away from being able to talk to someone who knows how you’re feeling right now.

It means that you are seen and heard. God came to earth. He didn’t sit up in Heaven waiting for us to get things right, or waiting for us to mess up. He didn’t run away from us and distance Himself from us. He didn’t leave the weight of salvation on our shoulders. He came down to help us and save us and be with us and set us free, proving that He sees, loves, and cares.

It means that your suffering is not meaningless. A message I love that has helped me so much is one I learned from Jefferson Bethke in his book “Jesus > Religion.” It is this: we may not know what the reason for our suffering is, but we know what the reason isn’t: it’s not because we are not loved. We may not know why God allows suffering, but we know that He must have a good reason or else He wouldn’t have chosen to take our pain upon Himself when He died on the cross.

Dark circumstances still press in on me sometimes but I believe that I can hold Christianity up to the void because it doesn’t shy away from the grittiest, hardest parts of life. Christianity doesn’t say, “Here, figure this mess out for yourself and then you’ll be loved.” Christianity says “It’s okay if you can’t figure this out yourself, you’re already loved.”

Even if you’ve tried prayer before and you felt nothing, that doesn’t mean that God isn’t there. Feelings (or lack thereof) are not always true. But there is evidence for the resurrection of Christ. (One of my favourite pieces of evidence is the fact that the first recorded witnesses to the resurrection were women, and this was in a time and culture where women were not considered worthy or reliable witnesses, so if the authors of the gospel were just making things up, it wouldn’t be logical for them for use women as witnesses in their story.)

Once again, I apologize for the extreme length here! It’s normal to experience times of doubt and navigating through them is a very personal experience. But I do hope that in time you come to know how much Jesus truly loves you despite your sufferings. <3

Hey, first i should apologize, because i don’t speak in english perfectly haha.
And i understand you, because I’m going through the same and i know that is hard…I’ll be praying for you, but you must too should praying for God give you help for understand, believe, and be stronger. It’s also cost to me understand some things, but i pray everyday and say to God “Help me to be stronger, to be patient, to not be a bad person with those who my around” And more… God answer me always.I invite you to prove it. If you know all depends on you’re pray with faith, and if look for God the rest He will complement it. I believe in God for faith and because He gave and give all for me and everyone.
Anything you can tell God..And if you need a friend, too (you can count on me too:))

So I had planned on keeping my anonymity, but wow! This was what I needed to hear. I have felt God calling me and I will post a comment about it later on. Thanks so much!

I personally came to my belief in God from a stressing on my parents side. They did not force me but they raised me as a Christian so I fell right in. After that I experienced a great weekend at what is called Happening. The weekend coordinator is now a good friend of mine and we talk quite a bit. I go work them whenever I can. Anyways, I believe in God because of what he has done for me. God was able to pull me out of some dark places twice now and I wouldn’t be able to do what I’m doing today in school and for my personal life. I pray one day I’ll be able to publish a book too. God has never really shown me anything special, my belief came from discipline more or less. When I was in a dark spot someone or something would remind what I’m doing wrong and then I would kick myself in the pants and start living a better life by choice. Seemingly naturally things would get better. I took that as enough proof for me. That was my experience with God’s goodness.

In the midst of a lot of suffering, I started to read my Bible and pray as a last resort. It transformed me; He transformed me. I began to see God as not just a possible being up in the sky, but the Lord of all, my Savior, who adopted me as his child, planned out every minute of my life for my ultimate good and his glory, and continues to sustain me.

I’d advise you to please, read the Bible and pray. It might seem like just a book at first. But it isn’t. The word of God is living and active, sharper than a two edged sword. It has the power to convict us and to to reach into our souls with the truth. Faith comes through hearing, and hearing through God’s word. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Seek him, and he will reveal himself to you. (Hebrews 4:12, Romans 10:17, James 4:8)

“I believe in the sun even when it is not shining. I believe in love even when I cannot feel it. I believe in God even when he is silent.” Author unknown, written in a cellar during the Holocaust.

Also, this might sound bad, but I don’t know how else to say it, it is nice to have SOMETHING to believe in other than mankind. There, I am done.

PS. If you’d like, I know of a great little book called How to Know God Exist, it’s super informative, scientific and it’s pretty short too.

Ok, whats part two?

I should try that sometime! I might not get hysterical but still I think it would work.

Hey Delaney,
I totally understand your struggles…this is a battle that I believe most Christians face sometime or another in life…I faced it several years ago, and I understand—it was really tough to get through! But just like you, my answers came from the Bible, the Word which Satan was trying to make me doubt.
God spoke right to my heart in the midst of my doubt, just as He spoke to you. 💚
Think about this:
Do all the founders of any pagan belief have power to touch the heart of one who reads their works? No, because they’re all dead.
Does Satan try to make people doubtful when they are immersed in cults or pagan religions? No, because those poor followers are absolutely no threat to him..they are already enslaved in evil, just as he wants them.
The Word of God surely is alive and powerful…and I’m so glad God speaks to us through it.
I know these battles are terrible and heartbreaking for you, but please hold on to Jesus. God has something amazing in store for you, or else Satan would not be trying so hard to make you doubt God. Keep your eyes on Jesus, and let Him lead you through this dark time. I’m praying for you! God has certainly answered many of your questions already, but I know He is faithful to answer any others that you have too 💜
Read Psalms 27 & 91 and Isaiah 43…I have found them to be a great comfort to my soul in difficult times, and I believe you will as well. The movies God’s Not Dead 1&2 are also amazing faith builders…I believe you would really like them and find them to be a blessing to you if you haven’t seen them yet. God bless! 💜

Delaney, thank you for this. Your story sounds not unlike mine. I was raised by two missionaries, homeschooled, and thanks to my teacher-mom I knew the bible more thoroughly as a young child than most adults. However, none of that seemed to matter much when my parents underwent a painful and ugly divorce when I was twelve, right at that crucial age of asking questions. I had a lot of anger towards my dad, which translated into anger and mistrust toward God the father, and questioning “If He is really there and He really cares about me, why did this happen to me?”

I came to terms with God’s existence very early on, and I have never looked back from that. For me, the greatest proof of God’s existence (and perhaps greater than that, the proof that God is the Christian God,) was the miracles that I had seen. My mom was and is a woman of prayer, and she not only told us we could pray and expect results, she showed us. We didn’t have much money, and we had several instances where some appliance would break; my mom would gather my siblings and me around it, we would pray, and it would immediately begin working. When we had no money for gas, after we prayed our gas needle would go up as we drove, not down, or someone would inexplicably give us the exact amount of money we needed. I could go on, but suffice it to say there were several personal experiences we had with God’s provision that even today I can’t explain other than to say that God did it.

Now, that doesn’t mean that I don’t still grapple with the issue to some degree. I certainly have ‘down times’ where I question if God exists. The aspects that I struggle with the most, however, are believing that God is good and kind, and that He is a father different altogether from the father experiences that I’ve had, that He is a gentle, caring, protective parent who wants to see me grow. I’ve struggled for years and continue to struggle. What has been helpful for me is connecting with my youth leaders, especially my youth pastor, and doing some counseling with them. Also, the sword of the spirit is the word of God. Once you determine in your heart that it is truth, it can cut through doubt like nothing else can. I can’t tell you if that wall that comes up to ‘God the father’ ever goes away completely, but I can tell you that it gets better. #preachingtomyself

Thank you for your transparency here. Thank you for encouraging and challenging me with your story. If there is one last thing that I could say to you? Deuteronomy 33:27. We WILL make it through this, sister. I will be praying for you. <3

I’m so sorry but I’ll have to wait til tomorrow. What I wanted to say takes a lot of thought to put into words, and if I tried it now I’d be too tired. I’ll have it by tomorrow night.

Thanks so much, savannah! I love that song! Have you heard anthem lights version?

Thanks so much, Christina! I talk to me youth leaders as well and they are amazing.

I believe in God like the sunshine, I can see it everywhere I go everyday, even the cloudy ones. I didn’t have friends growing up, so when high school started I really needed one. I prayed for months for a friend I could connect to on a more spiritual level and have engaging conversations about Christ and the world around us, and he delivered. Her name is Alivia McGuire and she is the greatest person I have ever met, she was the one who introduced me to the Rebelution first. That is all it takes me to know God is real, is that he sent the one person I had prayed for for a long time.

I should also add that when I went on a missions trip to Haiti, you could see Jesus everywhere! Haiti is pretty much just one big church. So even through Hurricane Matthew and the 2010 earthquake, they still believe in God. That right there is proof to me that God exists.

I know, y’all just makes more sense! Do you ever just squish a ton of words to together with if like “y’all’re” or “y’all’ll”?

Praise God!!
Praying for you!!

Thank you so much for sharing Delaney!

Thanks so much! Il be praying for you as well

Thank you! 🙂

I do it so often it’s not even funny. #okiegrammar

I read something in Romans recently that I thought might encourage you. It’s a little strong, but it’s the Bible:

“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.”–Romans 1:18-22

It can definitely sometimes be discouraging. Why isn’t God acting how we want him to when we want him to? But God’s ways are always above our ways. I hope this is encouraging to you. I just ran across it I think the day I first read this question.

I’ll be praying!

Hey Jason! I think it’s really neat that you mentioned these verses, and they’re helpful, but it might be good to balance it out with another passage (maybe from Romans 3, or 8). The whole book goes together and since Paul doesn’t leave it at God’s wrath –but uses it as a way to explain grace and the gospel — we should do the same.

Just a suggestion, I don’t want to be a comment dictator.

Oh no! I’m not at all offended. I think it’s a really good point, and worth considering — it’s just not the end of the story. I hope I wasn’t rude.

Also, I recommend the book More Than a Carpenter by Josh McDowell. It’s about whether Jesus is who he said he is, and whether he claimed to be God at all.

I’ll take this time to say that I feel like I just go through the motions sometimes. I hardly ever read the bible and feel like Emmet from The Lego Movie walking into a mass gathering of master builders. However, here’s the juicy part: I still believe in God.

I know, somewhere in my head, he finds reason to believe in me. How is it I can pick up my pen and send 3 pages worth of writing to the printer in 30-45 minutes? I have some sort of ability, something I can use for the greater good that God has instilled in me. To conclude my comment, I’ll say this:

If God has faith in the guy who hasn’t taken the first steps towards him, or even his own destiny, God has faith in you too.

Also, I can never seem to stop typing, so that is why I can praise you for your courage in coming forward. If God is inside of us, then you don’t need to explain to him what’s going on because he knows it’s important. I went through divorce when I was 7 years old and the scars still hold. Lastly, God has patience. So long as you are willing to come forth and willing to come back to him, he is willing to make you his greatest asset of all.

I will stop typing now… 😉

Yeah. My comment has disappeared into the abyss of the Reb. I may never actually see it again.

It’s quite simple to explain the existence of God. It’s a well know scientific law that matter cannot be created or destroyed. Matter doesn’t pop in and out of existence. With this in mind, how can the universe be here without a Creator? There is no other possible explanation. We can also believe who God says he is through what he does. If someone told you that they could eat a whole pizza in one sitting, you’d want to see them do that in order to test if what they said was true. In the same way, we can test what God says about himself by looking at what he does. God reveals his nature in his dealing with humanity. We can see in the flood that he is a just God, but also a merciful God toward those who have faith in him. Jesus’ dealing with mankind show who God is. We see that Jesus was loving, gracious, merciful, meek, loving, caring, and so much more!

Let’s admit it; I wrote a LOT. I hope you can get something out of my pages of info! In fact, it was so long that I had to split it up into several parts so that it would actually get posted 
To be honest, at first I believed in God because that seemed the way to go. I still remember kneeling as a little 5-year-old in my parent’s bedroom while my mom did her makeup, asking God to come into my heart.
I pretty much had no idea what that meant other than that I was “saved” and would now go to Heaven.
However, I am now 14 and have spent the last two years trying to figure out what I believe and why it matters.
I believe in Christ because the Bible points to Him, science points to Him, the past shows His presence, and so does our daily life. Bear with me here!
First of all, the Bible. The entire OT points to Christ, in fact, the whole thing is the “rising action” leading to the climax of the story; Christ. The Bible is completely historically correct, and many prophecies mentioned in the Bible, such as that of Alexander the Great, have come true. There is no proven historical evidence that points to the falsity of the Bible.
Second, the scientific evidence. There is not one scientific fact in the Bible that is not supported by modern science. The Institute for Creation Research (icr.org) is a wonderful database and news center for this subject. They have many, many scientists that publish volumes of scientific research in easy-to-read articles both on the website and in their magazine “Acts and Facts”.
Thirdly, He is shown in our daily life. Think about it. Where would we be without a God to give us our rules, morals, aspirations, and dreams? No better off or different from the animals we are surrounded by. I’m not kidding. After all, where would we get our morals? Our motivations to build mighty civilizations, or our reasons to uphold those once they are created? I’m going to divide this section into two parts. It’s going to be long :).

I am so sorry to hear that you are going through such a rough time right now! 🙁 My parents are also going through a divorce right now, so I know how it feels. About a year ago, my church did a small group study called, ‘Behold your God’ by John Snyder. It helped me see who God is and how to know Him better. I don’t know where I would be spiritually right now if my church had not done that study! I don’t want to make this comment to long, so I will give you three ideas:
1. Pray. Talk to God as if He was a person sitting with you. Pour out your heart to Him. My sister finds it helpful to write down her prayers.

2. Read your Bible for 30 minutes each day. I get up at 6:00 each morning and read my bible first thing. Make it the biggest priority of the day.

3. Get a ‘Behold your God’ book. You can get one on amazon. There is a DVD set that goes with them, but they are kind of expensive! :/ Go to Beholdyourgod.org to listen to some of the best sermons out there from some of the best pastors!

I hope this helps you!

Agh everything I write is waiting for approval……. C’mon!!! Lol

Hello, Delaney!
I am very sorry to hear that your parents are getting divorced! My parents are getting divorced as well, so I know how you feel!

Here are some things that helped me:
1. Praying and reading the Bible and really just seeking God for who He is.
2. Singing hymns! 🙂 I love hymns, and I love singing! At the end of this, I will list some of my favorite hymns that helped me through my parent’s divorce.
3. Talking to our pastor. I met with him twice, and he was very helpful!

Remember that God is all-knowing, his love is unending, his plans are perfect, he works all things together for good to those who love Him, and he promises to be a Father to the fatherless.

As for why I believe in God….I really don’t see how any religion other than Christianity makes sense! I believe in God because I have seen His hand at work in my life providing for me, helping me, loving me, etc. My parents split finances a month or two ago and our finances were tight. We needed $400 dollars just to pay for propane!
Someone gave us $500 dollars anonymously, which was more than we needed for propane. That was just the beginning. We have seen God provide for us multiple times in different ways through gift cards, meals, cash, someone paying a bill for us, etc. We have had everything we needed! Was that just coincidence? No! It was the hand of God! I don’t need anything more than that to know that there is a God and that He is the God of the Bible!

Hymns that really helped me:
I Could Sing Of Your Love Forever, You Are So Good To Me, God Is Love, Your Love is Amazing, and The Solid Rock.

Here is a quote I really like:
“When you are down to nothing,
God is up to something.”
-Anonymous

Rest in your Heavenly Father. He knows your feelings and He LOVES YOU! Always remember that! Trust in God, my friend! He will take care of you! I know I’ve never met you before, but I say “my friend” because the Bible says that the believers are brothers and sisters in Christ. How are you in your walk with Christ and your belief in him now after so many comments and encouragements? I feel for you and pray for you everyday! I know this was long, but I hope it’s helpful!

Your sister in Christ,
Erin

Oh, thank you!! 💖

Delaney, my comment finally got approved, FYI. It took two weeks, but they finally decided I’m not a dangerous Rebelutionary.

Amen

Proverbs 3:5-6

“Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.”

I often turn to this verse during trying times. I am very sorry to hear of your current situation, and like said in earlier comments, the courage you are portraying by posting this is incredible. Everyone goes through tough times, and God can use these times to strengthen you as a person. It might even seem silly to believe in a God that you can’t see, but I believe the evidence of his existence is all around us (creation). In a situation like yours (or really anyone’s) a relationship with God is the only thing that can bring true joy. Like stated earlier, God uses these tough times to strengthen you. Although life may suck right now, God promises good times in your future.

Now to why I believe in God, and why I invite you to renew your relationship with him. As stated before, evidence of God is all around us. Only a designer could have created such a perfect and complex earth and ecosystem. There is no other way to explain it. Secondly, I am able to see him working in my own life. When i’m struggling with impurities in my life, I ask God to fill me with determination and purpose, and I just talk about my problems with him through prayer. I can say this is the best way for me to deal with my problems. God’s never failed to supply me with what I need to carry on, and I ask you to bring your problems to God through prayer. Open up your Bible and just ask for him to lead you to the write passages, and I can guarantee you He will listen and show you what you need. God is there for you, and I promise you he will bring joy in your life if you just open up your heart to him. Trust in God.

Here is another reason to believe, look at all the comments below. So many people giving amazing reasons, and real reasons.

I know some times it might feel like it is blind faith, but it really isn’t. There is so much evidence for a Designer. Creation, in itself, shows design, and if there is design, there must be a Designer. Once this fact is established, you must believe something about a Creator so let’s look at different religions. The Bible is the only book with no mistakes or contradictions. It is historically accurate, and includes many prophecies that come true. Some have come true recently. This proves its accuracy.

Sometimes, yes it is hard to trust in something you can’t even see. But God knows about our struggles, and every thought and encourages us to cling to him through everything. Trials are promised when we are Christians, but James tells us of their importance. “Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.” James 1:2-3

God promises us a reward that will last if we only stay with him. I will leave you with this verse to encourage you to simply ask God to draw you close to him. “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.” Matthew 7:7

I am very sorry that you are going through this tough time in life. What I think is a great verse is Hosea 6:1, it says, “Come, let us return to the Lord For he has torn us, but he will heal us; He has wounded us, but He will bandage us.” It means sometimes the Lord will put us in bad situations and in depressing spots. But He will always help us out.

I have noticed that most people have quoted the Bible to defend the validity of the Bible. However, it doesn’t work that way. One cannot simply say, “the Bible is God’s word because the Bible says it is God’s word.” All of the major religions have a holy text and all those holy texts claim to be the “right one”. But an author of a book cannot validate their claims by they themselves saying it is true. That validation has to come from elsewhere. In other words, to determine whether or not the Bible is true, you must look outside of the Bible. Don’t look for biblical quotes to verify the truth of biblical quotes.

You said “I know a lot about God and I know at least some of it is true.” Do you mind explaining a little more. Which parts of the Bible/Christianity/God do you find to be true and which parts do you find to not be true? And I challenge you to think about why you believe those particular things to be true/not true.

Also, something to think about is that most people accept the religion they are born into. The majority of people believe in the religion that their parents believed in. Their parents tend to believe the religion that the culture believes in. If you were born in Iraq you would be a Muslim and not a Christian. For most people, the answer to “why do you believe in God?” is “because my parents did.” That is why college is a challenge to people’s faith because it is the first time that they really are exploring religion for themselves and not just believing what their parents told them to believe about God/religion.

Sure! There are three basic mistakes that a Christian commits when he says he believes in evolution. I’ll try to go through these as quickly as I can 🙂
Mistake #1: “It’s only about the length of time”
First, most evolutionist Christians tend to trivialize the conflict between evolutionists and creationists by saying its only about time, seeing as merely a dispute on how the word “day” in Genesis 1 is figurative or literal. The logic behind this is that if God meant “days” as long periods of time, then evolution and creation fit seamlessly. If that was as far as it wen, then yes. However, it’s not the whole picture, and relies on Christian misinterpretation of the word “evolution” . If it meant only a gradual process of God guided creation, sure! Unfortunately, that’s not quite what evolutionists mean. Take, for instance, the Position Statement of the NABT; “[Evolution is] an unsupervised, impersonal, unpredictable and natural process of temporal descent with genetic modification that is affected by natural selection, chance, historical contingencies and changing environments.” Quite a mouthful! Doesn’t really leave room for God between the “unsupervised” and “impersonal”, does it? If that’s true evolution, obviously God cannot play a part.
Mistake #2:Deism
Deism essentially means that God made all the laws and then sat down with some popcorn to watch the show, doing nothing to intervene. And here comes in the second mistake; God made the laws of chemistry, physics, and so on, and then let evolution take over. So even if evolution was mindless, God still made the laws that controlled it. But that’s not the Creator God of the Bible. Genesis distinctly said that God breathed life into man at the beginning, and has intervened throughout human history. I mean, come on, Jesus came to earth!!! Obviously God wants to interact with us!!!!! Evolutionists recognize that deism does fit in perfectly with their theory; but whatever god that might be certianly isn’t the one of the Bible.
Mistake #3: Faith Versus Reason
The third and most commonly made mistake is that which pits faith against reason. It interprets “in the beginning God created the world” as simply a poetic translation of “Everything came to be by means of evolution”, just as you might say the Mona Lisa is “a beautiful work of art” or “some oil on a piece of canvas”. Both are true, yet they take different perspectives. You might explain this view something like this; “Yes, evolution is a blind process, and yes, all diversity and complexity of life are a result of evolution. Aren’t you glad scientific reasoning has discovered all this knowledge? Of course this does not affect my faith at all because I know God is our personal, loving Creator, because science has to do with reason and religion is simply faith”. Now this is obviously wrong. I oversimplified that quite a bit; you’re not going to find the faith v. reason argument expressed that simply and easily in real life. But thats what often happens; faith is privatized and “reason” is publicized. In other words, we keep religion in our bedroom to cuddle with at night, and when we go outside we take scientific reason on a walk and see no problem in doing so. We don’t connect the two, in fact, they hardly ever meet. If they did, we think, they’d tear each other to pieces, we can’t have that! I already addressed this in the comment above.
So when a Christian says they belive in evolution, make sure they know what that means. To be honest, a God-guided, natural process isn’t really refuted in the Bible; but actual evolution is.
Now, on to your next question; are evolutionist Christians still true Christians? And the answer is yes!!!!! Our scientific beliefs, however controversial or confusing, do not affect that Christ is the Messiah, fully man and fully God, who was sent to Earth by His Father, the Creator-God of the Old Testament, to ransom us from our sins by dying on the cross and rising again three days later, then ascending into Heaven to sit at the right hand of His Father, Yahweh. If we believe this and profess our faith in Christ a the Way, the Truth, and the Light, then we are Christians no matter what our scientific beliefs.
Oh hey, I wrote another book! 😀 Sorry, hope I answered your questions anyway!

Last but not least, He is seen everywhere in our past. I know what it’s like to go through hard times; you’re not alone. I personally have had a rough life. Luckily I have had a strong Christian family to get through it with….but it’s been rough. For example, my dad lost his job due to downsizing when I was younger,and could not find one for six years. However, that unemployment freed us up to move in with my great-grandfather to care for him in his last years. That was a spiritually significant time for my entire family; especially my dad, who was the main caretaker. Dad grew into a great, Christian man through that experience. After my grandfather died, we were able to move into a house owned by my paternal grandparents (the daughter and son-in-law of the grandfather we lived with) to repair the damage done by the previous tenants. While the needed repair was extensive, we gained a lot of invaluable experience about house care–and right when we finished, my dad got his current job. We moved into our current house, and all went well for a year…. until my athiest grandfather (my mom’s dad) committed suicide.That was two years ago. Now, we are seven months into my brother’s polio-like illness that has caused him to lose control of his legs and arm. That involves a lot of exhaustion and hard work for all of us. Now we are buying our first house to accommodate him; and we have a lot of experience with houses to help, thanks to our work on my grandparent’s rental three years ago. To be honest, right now it’s pretty hard. But I have been able to use my situation to reach out to countless people. My brother, Sebastian, (who is named for the patron saint of warriors and is definitely the strongest warrior in our family) is healing faster than anyone his doctors have seen with this illness; and he still has control of his head and left arm, which many patients lose as well. My grandfather’s death (which had a lot of far reaching consequences) has allowed me to reach out to some in my youth group who are dealing with loss. And, to be honest, I don’t know what all of this is for, but it’s preparing me for something. Hebrews 12:6 says “because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.” He must have something really big in store for me; and my situation is a wonderful opportunity to do hard things and strengthen my faith. And I know I’m not His only patient!
Everything that ever existed points to God. Everything. There is no scrap of evidence, whether historical, scientific, or otherwise, thst does not point to Him. And I’l put my trust in His wonderful, all-powerful redeeming grace.

Thanks for explaining, I appreciate the time you put into your response. However, I am still curious what “evolutionists’ propaganda” means. Though your answer was good, I feel like it may have been for a different question.

Lol, sorry. You are probably right, I do get a bit off track sometimes. 😀 Thanks for being so patient!
What I meant by evolutionists’ propaganda in this instance was that they tend to restrict faith to the private sector and give a hard time to anyone who doesn’t. Modern scientists often put Christianity onto a shelf labeled “Foolish Theories for People who Can’t Cope with the Real World”, not regarding it as another scientific approach to creation but rather as something people believe in because it makes them feel good, even though it has no grounds in fact. In other words, they find it perfectly fine for people to go to church and pray and read their Bibles (at least the ones I’ve spoken to), but when it comes to the “real world” of how things actually work, Christianity just doesn’t have a place.
Essentially what I meant by propaganda was the idea that Christianity was not meant to be anything outside of the comforting voice in your head that you only listen to in the private sector. It is the idea that in the home, Christianity may thrive, but in the real world, where we discuss actual facts and theories, Christianity has as much place as a horse and carriage at a NASCAR meet; old, out of date, and laughable.
Hope that answered your question a little better! 😀

There is an article called Quantum physics: The Discovery that scientifically demolished materialism. The author states this in his article.

“The quantum model of universe is an attempt to purge the Big Bang of its creationist implications. Supporters of this model base it on the observations of quantum (subatomic) physics. In quantum physics, it is to be observed that subatomic particles appear and disappear spontaneously in a vacuum. Interpreting this observation as matter can originate at quantum level, this is a property pertaining to matter, some physicists try to explain the origination of matter from non-existence during the creation of the universe as a property pertaining to matter and present it as a part of laws of nature. In this model, our universe is interpreted as a subatomic particle in a bigger one.

However this syllogism is definitely out of question and in any case cannot explain how the universe came into being. William Lane Craig, the author of The Big Bang: Theism and Atheism explains why:

A quantum mechanical vacuum spawning material particles is far from the ordinary idea of a “vacuum” (meaning nothing). Rather, a quantum vacuum is a sea of continually forming and dissolving particles, which borrow energy from the vacuum for their brief existence. This is not “nothing,” and hence, material particles do not come into being out of nothing. 1

So in quantum physics, matter does not exist when it was not before. What happens is that ambient energy suddenly becomes matter and just as suddenly disappears becoming energy again. In short, there is no condition of existence from nothingness as is claimed.”

So matter cannot and doesn’t come from nothing. Rather it is changing from energy to matter and then back again. As for your second comment, your are right in saying that there are other ways to describe how the universe came into existence, its just that none of the other explanation are true. The multiverse theory can be rejected due to Occam’s razor which states that the more assumptions you have to make about something, the more unlikely an explanation is. You must make many, many assumptions to believe in the multiverse theory, so it is better to not believe it because there are so many assumptions to make.
The Big Bang theory tries to rationalize that you can get something from nothing, because that one particle that became the universe had to come from somewhere.

Sorry about all the stuff you’re going through. I’ll just say this. You definitely do NOT need blind faith. There are 500 eyewitnesses to the resurrected Christ, historical records matching up with the Bible, chariot wheels under the Red Sea, and many more things. There are more records written about Jesus than there are for Alexander the Great or Caesar Augustus, but no one questions their existence. Falling in love with Christ does require a search for evidence. I went through one for the longest time. Just remember this, faith is not based off feelings. It is based off believing that something is true and planting your feet on that. God has changed my life. He can change yours too.

Why does one person love strawberry jam and another grape? To me it’s not a question of proving GOD is. Rather why do you believe GOD is? I offer to you my humble answer to this question: Because I choose to.

I know God is real because he saved my life.. there was a dark time in my life when my mom overdosed on heroine and I started self harming and started on her path. God literally plucked me from my life at home and opened the doors for me to go to a program called Teen Challenge Kansas City. it was there that he showed me how he was always there with me and never left, he helped me know that I was not my mom and realize that I didn’t have to be.

I would like to share a recent, small event in my life that has strengthened my belief in God.
Allow me to answer your question with my story 🙂
I know that God is real because He has spoken to me recently.
I have been going through some relationship struggles recently, both with my parents and my boyfriend. (The struggles with my parents are my causing, and I am working to improve these. The story is about my boyfriend.)
So many times I have asked God, “if You are good, then why do the people I love still mistreat me?”
I realize now that God has put me in this position to teach me a very important lesson.
Bad things happen to good people, the same way good things happen to bad people. God can speak to people like you and I, even when we are doubting his very existence.
After a particularly rough afternoon, I went on a walk to escape the trials of my family, and to get away from my troubling thoughts.
I felt that I needed to stop waiting for God to speak, and get into a position where I was willing to listen to Him. I had my doubts that my belief in Him was misplaced, but I decided to put my trust in Christ.
I prayed that God would show me what he wanted me to see as I was on my peaceful walk outside.
I came across a large, deformed tree that had been split down the middle. This was a tree that I had seen many times before, but I felt that God had led me here for a reason.
As I observed the tree, I realized that it had been cleaved down the middle by lightning in a violent desert storm.
The branches and trunk had fallen down on either side… but the tree continued to grow.
Although the tree had been separated from its other half, it was able to heal and thrive.
I felt that God was trying to tell me that I didn’t need to let my relationship with my boyfriend control my life.
People separate every day, but they are still able to carry on and continue a happy, healthy life.
I knew then that my prayers to God about my relationship had been answered.
I have suffered before, just as we all have.
I have lost people I love, and I have been plagued by my own demons, such as a time where I suffered from anxiety.
Every time I have fallen on hard times, I have questioned my faith and it’s validity.
But God has proven he does exist by answering my prayers in my times of trial.
After praying to God, I have improved my relationship with my parents, and my boyfriend.
I feel compassion for you and both of your parents. A divorce is very serious, but I know that things can and will get better.
My boyfriend comes from a broken family, but he loves his mother and father both very much.
Both have remarried, and both have extended their family with new children.
Although things are very different from the way they were, my boyfriend found happiness with both of his families.
It is stressful to have parents that are divorced, but losing faith in God will only make it more difficult for everyone.
Bad things happen to everyone, but in the end, you have to
1. Get into a position where you are still willing to listen to God, and
2. Choose to trust Him to lead you through the darkness, and mend your soul with His grace.
God is real. In the end, you must be the one to choose to believe. That is the simplest and most truthful answer anyone can give.

What are the “many logical ways to explain why God is real” that you claim exist?

How can you validate your claims? Where did you get this information about what “God” says he is?

From the Bible. Exodus 3:11-15. Genesis 17:1

So the Bible says that God exists. And why is the bible true? Because it is God’s word. And how do you know that God exists? Because the bible says so. And why is the bible true? because it is God’s word.
CIRCULAR REASONING.

unsubscribe from what?

that’s not what I said. What i said is that your contention that the bible is true and that god exists…is based on faulty circular reasoning.

Do you have any web links or books to which you base your claims on and which provide a more detailed history of the bible?

I say I believe him not because the Bible is infallible because, like John Chang said, saying “The Bible is complete truth/because God says it is/God exists because the bible says so” is circular reasoning that can’t prove any argument. If you do want some TECHNICAL proof, though, there are too many arguments for God’s existence to list here. But in short, it’s the reason many, many early scientists were Christians: Because they looked around and saw that none of what they were studying could possibly come into existence on its own.

In a way, it does require blind faith; the blindness of not knowing what God’s doing or where he is, but knowing that it will all come together in the end.

I’m sorry you’re going through this. But I believe in God because of His astounding forgiveness. I am far past the point of deserving forgiveness (especially with my particular struggle, fits of rage), but God still forgives me. We could also look at this from a pragmatic perspective: would you rather have to work for your salvation? Or if you’re Atheistic would you take a blind leap into eternity or have nothing to guide you in all this madness?

I cling to the truths I’ve been given because it is a conviction. It is what God himself has done in my life. Nothing and no one can change that.

I love that book!

Wow. How powerful. That happened to me a couple years ago as well. I think that was the first time I really truly became a Christian.

I need to clarify something. I’m not one to just bash people’s views but I felt like I should clear this up. It is not you who chooses God, it’s God who chooses you.

I believe in God…for many many reasons first I will tell you something people ask is where was God when This happened or this happened? I have asked questions like that “Where was God when my father chose to leave me fatherless?” “Where was God when my Grandfather died unsaved?” “Where was God when I got ripped away from everyone I knew to live on the other side of America with only strangers?” I will ask you this now do you ask where God is when everything I going smooth? Do we praise him when It is all sunshine? We don’t want God we want to be God. We are perfectly okay with disobeying him and ignoring him until he does something we don’t like… I could be bitter about my rough past… I could shake my fist at his choices… or I could open my eyes and understand that even though I don’t know why God has a plan and it is working out for my good… I understand where your coming from… My family fell apart when I was 4 years old… My grandfather died recently… and not even one month ago I was torn from everyone I know and dropped here far away where I know no one… God is good… God is God he can do what he likes even when It rips our hearts… keep trusting keep believing he is with you through the fire and will be with you through the flood… Read you bible and know he is God! I will pray for you… I know not your name but God does and he thought you feel alone is with you…

If then you were alive during the Old Testsment times when Gods forgiveness was not as great as it is now, would you still believe in God?

To what extent does a persons belief in God depend upon their parents religion?

Can it be scientifically verified that the boy went to Heaven?

Who caused Job to go through all his suffering, God or Satan?

How do you know?

What are your thoughts on this statement “God created us sick and commanded us to get well.”?

Are you making this point to help Taylor answer John’s question or are you making this point to help Taylor avoid John’s question?

What is the only way that a chariot wheel could be under the Red Sea?

HI, Megan!
I can’t say I have ever heard that statement, but I am happy to take a stab at it 😄
God didn’t create us sick, he created us perfect. Unfortunately we took the free will he gave us and chose to disobey his command (back in Eden, when Adam and Eve ate the fruit). Because of that, we infected ourselves with this illness called sin.
God also doesn’t command us to get well. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. The bible states multiple times that we are saved through faith in Jesus alone and by his grace. (Poor sentence structure, I know). God knows we have no cure and so he provided one through the blood of Jesus.
On these grounds, I would dare to say that there is no viable truth within that statement. It is based on misconceptions and, in my opinion, is totally false.
Does that answer your query? If not, I’m happy to discuss further 😊

God’s forgiveness moved David, an adulterer, to tears. God’s steadfast love brought Abraham to his knees. It still amazes me to this day. God’s forgiveness has always been powerful. So yes.

But can you please give me a concrete definition of what the Bible means when it says God is the Almighty One? In your own words, what does that mean?

I read his psalms, which are poetic songs. He portrays immense emotion, feelings of despair, of love, of hope… David sings these amazingly raw lyrics about what is going on in his life. Megan, You might try reading Psalm 51. It’s my favorite, and Jesus quoted it too! By the way, I was a devoted agnostic and I understand how hard it is to read the Bible when you hate Christianity. But I hope that, for the sake of genuine discussion, you will actually read the few verses I mention. Just google them! 🙂

Do you mind sharing your thoughts on how that same definition you used for God the Almighty might also be used to describe Allah? “Allah always keeps his promises. Allah is always faithful to us even in our bad times. Allah is our refuge in times of trouble too.”

Therefore, Gods existence depends upon your thoughts about Him?

Allah is the word for Islam, Judaism, Jews and Christian. Islam
Use the word allah. Islam does not believe in God. They just use Allah.

Easy. That’s a classic red herring. Megan, you can do better than that!

I made a logical statement. Beer can satisfy everything you stated just as well as God could. Therefore, it is up to you to defend your statement to explain why God is the most logical cause of Abraham falling to his knees. What is more likely to have done that, beer or God?

I have only read the first Harry Potter book. I do not play an instrument but my favorite to listen to is the piano. I do not enjoy football. My favorite color is purple. But what you seem to be looking for are shared interests not common ground. We both agree that racism is wrong and Hitler was a bad person. Now that we have SOMETHING that we agree upon we can move on with the conversation.

I talked to the police man… And I was using metaphors. What I was trying to say was that they were moved by grace. It changed their lives.
Megan, I only argue with my friends. A shared interest is the best grounds for friendship. Please, help me find common ground.

You like to play piano and my favorite instrument to listen to is the piano. That is a common interest but you are for some reason pretending that it is not (I assume you are doing that to avoid having a conversation). If you do not want to have a conversation just say so. Can you please answer my question which you still did not do? Which is more likely to cause Abraham to fall to his knees, God or beer?

And it’s really confusing to talk on multiple threads. Could we stick to this one?

This website is composed of multiple threads. It is unavoidable that its users will converse across several of them. But the Disqus program organizes all of that for its users so they don’t have to try and sort through all the threads on their own.

Metaphor or not, you still did not answer my question. Please answer my question and then I will answer yours. Which is more likely to cause someone to fall to their knees, God or beer?

In a physical sense, beer could potentially bring you to your knees. The kneeling I’m referring to is a sign of submission and praise. I never tried to prove God’s existence from bad knees. If you want to understand Christianity, I recommend starting with C.S. Lewis and Lee Strobel. I imagine you would have to be pretty lucky to find the big answers on social media like this. I would be happy to tell you the reasons I am a Christian, but I’m not interested in arguing about them online. Thanks for understanding.

God is just. God is good. He is there even when it hurts.

39 Clues is a fiction ask the authors they will say fiction the Bible is fact Big gap there…

I cannot pinpoint the moment that I first believed in God, and now, I suppose I believe in God because I can feel his guidance in my day to day life. This feeling ebbs and flows though I find that I can only sense it when I can still my thoughts, which is difficult when everything feels like it’s going wrong.

I don’t feel like I’m in a place to offer advice, but I would recommend C.S. Lewis’s book Mere Christianity. The book originally was a series of talks on BBC Radio the author made during WWII when the outlook for Britons was bleak. He creates a very elegant argument that God and Christianity logically follow from our own human experiences.

There is a moment where God shows himself to you and gives you the understanding. Its something that I can’t explain but I’ve seen his touch. I’ve thought of suicide and the only thought that kept me alive was because I know how much hope God offers to me and life. He’s been everything to me. When I was bullied, hurt, alone, suffering, he was there when I didn’t have anyone else. I believe in God because He is my all in all.

Faith is proof that God exists. Faith is God given, not something that we conjure up ourselves. Maybe I haven’t seen God Himself, but there is physical proof that goes with the abstract . Look at the Dead Sea Scrolls, The Pool of Siloam, the Caiaphas Ossuary. Then there’s faith, and the indescribable peace and reassurance that you receive once you are saved. And, God is working in you already. Why ask your question if you don’t think that you will get real answers. God is calling you. All you have to do is respond.
I hope this helped, and I’m praying for you (=.

Hope this poem by RUMI will help you 🙂

Didn’t I tell you
Do not leave me for I am your only Friend,
I am the spring of life.
Even if you leave in anger for thousands of years
You will come back to me for I am your goal and your end.
Didn’t I tell you
not to be seduced by this colorful world
for I am the Ultimate Painter.
Didn’t I tell you
you are a fish do not go to dry land
for I am the deep Sea.
Didn’t I tell you
not to fall in the net like birds
for I am your wings and the power of light.
Didn’t I tell you
not to let them change your mind and turn you to ice
for I am your fire and warmth.
Didn’t I tell you
they will corrupt you and make you forget
that I am the Spring of all virtues.
Didn’t I tell you
not to question my actions
for everything falls into order, I am the Creator.
Didn’t I tell you
your heart can guide you home
because it knows that I am your Master.

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Just typed something you should be curious about

They’ll be sorry

That’s true…they can be indoctrinated but still retain enough critical thinking skills to reject their indoctrination…it’s what you should be doing

The point was…Ones “faith” is almost entirely decided by the place of ones birth and the parents they inherit. This FACT supports my contention that it’s all man made and all man propagated.

I think you’re spot on with regards to the expectations of young people

Not “believe”…KNOW and if you asked anyone your age from a different “faith” what would they say?

Demonstrate that it was physically “jesus” that changed you. The same claim could be made by a muslim girl or a hindu girl about Krishna or a Buddhist girl about Buddah

You could do all those things without a “belief” in a storybook

Maturity, compassion, wisdom of age all allow for those things such as forgiveness…no “god” required

You’re missing the entire point.

A Hindu girl could say exactly what you said…She could say that Krishna changed her life that she was told about Krishna and her life changed.

How are your competing claims different?

They are not.

Neither of you can justify your individual explanation for whatever you felt happened to you…you both are holding empty sacks

You both experienced something and just uncritically ascribed the cause to an invisible deity that you heard about from someone else. Neither of you KNOW if it’s true or not do you?

You are wrong about that and even if you weren’t so what? Because your storybook is somehow an improvement on earlier storybooks gives it credibility? The FACT is that antiquity is FULL of dying and rising savior “gods” Isis, Romulus to name two…there are dozens of similar stories that originated long before yours did….This is why you need to do your research. You wouldn’t say this if you had studied as you would know that your story is a direct rip off of numerous more ancient pagan and greek mythology

CLAIMS are NOT TRUTHS!

Then why are there so many different versions? Why didn’t your all knowing “god” account for this and create a book that there could never be any debate about? Clearly he’s capable no?

Do you even know when your cult was officially born?

Did you know that in 325 AD in Nicea at the order of Emperor Constantine a group of ignorant priests were commanded to get it straight and come up with one interpretation?

Did you know that these MEN who didn’t know the earth circled the sun argued endlessly with two distinct camps emerging….one saying that “jesus” was of the same substance as “god” and the other saying he wasn’t?

Did you know that this was settled by a vote?

And did you know that they then wrote a creed that every cult member was required to “believe?

It was all made up to unify the Roman Empire….all made up buy stupid ignorant men

Why didn’t your “god” type up exact copies for the Chinese and South American Indians? Why were so many wars waged over doctrine? Why couldn’t your almighty “god” make it crystal clear seeing that was supposed to be the whole point of a book!

For bonus points….Show that any Moses ever existed, that there were millions of slaves in Egypt and that they all walked to Palestine over 40 years and left not a single artifact when the actual journey following the coastline would only take a week or two.

I have to wrap this up for the night…tired

Go do some honest research…see if you can find any actual evidence for Moses or the Exodus….you won’t

Look up the flood myth of Gilgamesh ….written before your book…it’s what your authors ripped off…curious huh

Have a good night

Virgins do not give birth.

It is NOT prophesy to write a narrative after reading a story about what what claimed would happen! Hello?

They wrote the NEW book to conform to the OLD….they made the story fit..that’s not prophesy

Now you watch this tonight and get back to me…I insist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UulusbcS8V0

If you’re going to be lazy then we should stop. I’m giving you real information. If you are unwilling to invest your time why should I?

I don’t care what some unknown author says in a book! Neither should you! I care about what is true! I do not read a book and just assume it’s right…that’s called gullible! Don’t be so gullible!

Demonstrate or even define what a “holy spirit” is…I’ll bet you can’t So why spit out words and phrases that are meaningless and nonsensical woo woo?

Every “holy” book makes claims. You don’t “believe” Muhammad rode a flying horse to heaven and hung out with the prophets including “jesus” do you? Why not? It was written in a book!

You need to care about what is TRUE not what someone says or what someone else “believes” The world if full of “beliefs” and damn short of KNOWLEDGE.

We arrive at truth through rational argument, evidence, experiment etc not through fuzzy feelings and we surely do NOT arrive at truth by listening to Bronze Age religious psychotic cult leaders! Wake up!

Again…how can you be so gullible and credulous? Do you believe everything everyone says? How about alien abductions? You could find hundreds of people who claim they were snatched up in the middle of the night…any proof? NO!

Oh so “god” magically heals some people but others have to suffer and take meds? Come on girl.

Tell me…where is your healing “god”?….

About 29,000 children under the age of five – 21 each minute – die every day, mainly from preventable causes. More than 70 per cent of almost 11 million child deaths every year are attributable to six causes: diarrhoea, malaria, neonatal infection, pneumonia, preterm delivery, or lack of oxygen at birth.

What language was it? How do you KNOW it was a language at all not just babbling in tongues? How do you KNOW if it was another language that he didn’t actually know it?

You do not KNOW anything! Did you study this phenomenon? What stupid sense would speaking another language make anyway?

There you go again! CLAIMS!! ASSERTIONS!!

“god is everywhere”….NONSENSE! which “god” How do you know? Show it! Prove it! Demonstrate it! You CANNOT JUST CLAIM STUFF!!

And Yeah…if it were true that your celestial dictator was reading our thoughts and convicting us of thought crime it would be MORE THAN CREEPY! It would be tyranny! It would make you nothing but a puppet slave!

You MUST stop making CLAIMS! and you need to think through the implications of what you claim this invisible “god” is doing while he watches millions of children die every year

You don’t know a single author of your book and you know absolutely nothing about them. Nothing! They wrote down legends and stories that were rip offs from other cults in a time of mass hysteria where the Jews were begging for some messiah. They were stupid dumb superstitious idiots! Why would ANYONE simply believe such unsupported irrational delusional nonsense?

Paul had VISIONS!! Do you automatically believe every psychotic who has a vision and sees things that aren’t there?

I think you would!

It means nothing either way. Life is what it is..the universe is headed for “heat death” 99% of every species that ever lived is extinct, the Earth will be swallowed by the sun….that’s the brute reality of it….so what?

Only a child puts his or her hands over his eyes and ears to avoid the truth.

Our life is precious because it is fleeting it’s not a doormat to wipe your feet on before you go to some afterlife….what sense is that? What kind of puppetmaster would your “god” be if that was the way reality was constructed?

Go to youtube and search this TTA Podcast 259: God – The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction (with Dan Barker) RADIO VERSION

The host of the channel was a rabid christian radio host and the minister was a speaking in tongues evangelical…they aren’t now and they explain why.

You would do yourself a great service if you watched a few of the “Thinking Atheist” youtubes…you’ll learn a lot

We make our own “meaning” There is no “meaning” in make believe.

Bazillions of ALL religious people are deluded! Not wrong, misguided, indoctrinated, fearful, gullible, credulous and subject to the forces of the cultures they live in

Stop whining like a child….what was it like before you were born? Did the universe end? No…it goes on with or without us and that’s just a BRUTE FACT that you can either accept and deal with or be a child for life playing make believe because it feels good

I answered you 4 times!!

Seems your censors deleted them

This was my answer 3 hours ago

It means nothing either way. Life is what it is..the universe is headed for “heat death” 99% of every species that ever lived is extinct, the Earth will be swallowed by the sun….that’s the brute reality of it….so what?

Only a child puts his or her hands over his eyes and ears to avoid the truth.

Our life is precious because it is fleeting… it’s not a doormat to wipe your feet on before you go to some afterlife….what sense is that? What kind of puppetmaster would your “god” be if that was the way reality was constructed?

Did you ever take a really fun vacation? Why did your bother seeing as it was going to end and you were going to have to return home sooner or later? Was you vacation worthless because it wasn’t eternal?

Show that muslims aren’t right…you have NO right to just declare things. If you can’t show it you don’t know it.

I’m really tired of engaging you now as all you do is regurgitate your fairytale storybook make believe nonsense. I’m not interested in irrational pretend.

Your fantasy “afterlife” in this so called “heaven” would suck! It would be an infinity of the same…over and over and over until you wish you were dead.

There is no satan and I’ve given you a video on the history of this fabricated cartoon character

I’m afraid this is over with you. I don’t do infantile conversations and it’s now obvious that’s all your capable of

24 hours a day for eternity with Ned Flanders…oh boy!

NO….If it’s “christian music” I’d rather shoot myself in the head

I KNOW all your beliefs. I”ve been a student of religious cults for more than 40 years. There’s nothing new under the sun

I’ve studied religions, cults, belief systems, anthropology, and the like for 40 years. I know them all, where they came from, what they profess and why gullible people created them and follow them to this day much to their regret

They are Historical Documentaries which would enlighten you as to why you believe what you do, why you are wrong, why its all man made nonsense and how religion evolved….it’s stuff you HAVE TO KNOW to be able to speak intelligently instead of being an infantile parrot of some cult

By what authority does he get to decide what’s appropriate or not? Tell him to piss off. I don’t need a daddy or a monitor

You live in Alaska? Always wanted to visit there…on my bucket list.

I’m away to a good book now….have a nice rest of your evening

A short video showing how evil, wicked, child abusive and stupid your cult really is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKd_JGkdW6s

You should THINK! It’s not obvious that he was born if he never actually existed.

You can offer NO evidence for the existence of any “jesus” there is NONE. There is NO contemporary writings, no eye witnesses, nothing left behind, no writings by him, no artifacts….not even a home made bird house for his mom

NOTHING!

A rational person would have looked BEFORE believing…

Tell me…Who wrote “Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Tell me their exact names, when they lived and where, who they were and how you know.

This is how you verify the “source” to see if it is credible.

See if you can find that out…you won’t…there is NO information whatsoever

This site is not working well for me…Here’s a few of the contradictions…See how little you really know? Yet you remain so gullible even as I prove everything to you

GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn’t created until the fourth day.

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

GE 1:26 Man is to have dominion over fish, birds, cattle, and all wild animals, yet–
GE 2:15-17 It is wrong to be able to tell good from evil, right from wrong.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience as well as with the fact that God allegedly does not change his mind: NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17.)

GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as “the Lord” (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3 God was first known as “the Lord” (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.

GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.

GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel’s offering and has no regard for Cain’s.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.

GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) “I called to the Lord; … he heard my voice; … The earth trembled and quaked, … because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it.”
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. “… who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him.”
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

GE 4:16 Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
JE 23:23-24 A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.

GE 6:3 The Lord said, “My spirit will not be in man forever, for he is only flesh; so the days of his life will be a hundred and twenty years.”
GE 9:29 Noah lived nine hnndred and fifty years.

GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.

GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.
NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17 God does not change his mind.

GE 6:19-22, 7:8-9, 7:14-16 Two of each kind are to be taken, and are taken, aboard Noah’s Ark.
GE 7:2-5 Seven pairs of some kinds are to be taken, and are taken, aboard the Ark.

GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.

GE 7:7 Noah and his clan enter the Ark.
GE 7:13 They enter the Ark (again?).

GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.

GE 11:9 At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
1CO 14:33 Paul says that God is not the author of confusion.

GE 11:12 Arpachshad [Arphaxad] was the father of Shelah.
LK 3:35-36 Cainan was the father of Shelah. Arpachshad was the grandfather of Shelah.

GE 11:26 Terah was 70 years old when his son Abram was born.
GE 11:32 Terah was 205 years old when he died (making Abram 135 at the time).
GE 12:4, AC 7:4 Abram was 75 when he left Haran. This was after Terah died. Thus, Terah could have been no more than 145 when he died; or Abram was only 75 years old after he had lived 135 years.

GE 12:7, 17:1, 18:1, 26:2, 32:30, EX 3:16, 6:2-3, 24:9-11, 33:11, NU 12:7-8, 14:14, JB 42:5, AM 7:7-8, 9:1 God is seen.
EX 33:20, JN 1:18, 1JN 4:12 God is not seen. No one can see God’s face and live. No one has ever seen him.

GE 10:5, 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel.
GE 11:1 There was only one language before the Tower of Babel.

GE 15:9, EX 20:24, 29:10-42, LE 1:1-7:38, NU 28:1-29:40, God details sacrificial offerings.
JE 7:21-22 God says he did no such thing.

GE 16:15, 21:1-3, GA 4:22 Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.
HE 11:17 Abraham had only one son.

GE 17:1, 35:11, 1CH 29:11-12, LK 1:37 God is omnipotent. Nothing is impossible with (or for) God.
JG 1:19 Although God was with Judah, together they could not defeat the plainsmen because the latter had iron chariots.

GE 17:7, 10-11 The covenant of circumcision is to be everlasting.
GA 6:15 It is of no consequence.

GE 17:8 God promises Abraham the land of Canaan as an “everlasting possession.”
GE 25:8, AC 7:2-5, HE 11:13 Abraham died with the promise unfulfilled.

GE 17:15-16, 20:11-12, 22:17 Abraham and his half sister, Sarai, are married and receive God’s blessings.
LE 20:17, DT 27:20-23 Incest is wrong.

GE 18:20-21 God decides to “go down” to see what is going on.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

GE 19:30-38 While he is drunk, Lot’s two daughters “lie with him,” become pregnant, and give birth to his offspring.
2PE 2:7 Lot was “just” and “righteous.”

GE 22:1-12, DT 8:2 God tempts (tests) Abraham and Moses.
JG 2:22 God himself says that he does test (tempt).
1CO 10:13 Paul says that God controls the extent of our temptations.
JA 1:13 God tests (tempts) no one.

GE 27:28 “May God give you … an abundance of grain and new wine.”
DT 7:13 If they follow his commandments, God will bless the fruit of their wine.
PS 104:15 God gives us wine to gladden the heart.
JE 13:12 “… every bottle shall be filled with wine.”
JN 2:1-11 According to the author of John, Jesus’ first miracle was turning water to wine.
RO 14:21 It is good to refrain from drinking wine.

GE 35:10 God says Jacob is to be called Jacob no longer; henceforth his name is Israel.
GE 46:2 At a later time, God himself uses the name Jacob.

GE 36:11 The sons of Eliphaz were Teman, Omar, Zepho, Gatam, and Kenaz.
GE 36:15-16 Teman, Omar, Zepho, Kenaz.
1CH 1:35-36 Teman, Omar, Zephi, Gatam, Kenaz, Timna, and Amalek.

GE 49:2-28 The fathers of the twelve tribes of Israel are: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Joseph, and Benjamin.
RE 7:4-8 (Leaves out the tribe of Dan, but adds Manasseh.)

GE 50:13 Jacob was buried in a cave at Machpelah bought from Ephron the Hittite.
AC 7:15-16 He was buried in the sepulchre at Shechem bought from the sons of Hamor.

EX 3:1 Jethro was the father-in-law of Moses.
NU 10:29, JG 4:11 (KJV) Hobab was the father-in-law of Moses.

EX 3:20-22, DT 20:13-17 God instructs the Israelites to despoil the Egyptians, to plunder their enemies.
EX 20:15, 17, LE 19:13 God prohibits stealing, defrauding, or robbing a neighbor.

EX 4:11 God decides who will be dumb, deaf, blind, etc.
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is a god of love.

EX 9:3-6 God destroys all the cattle (including horses) belonging to the Egyptians.
EX 9:9-11 The people and the cattle are afflicted with boils.
EX 12:12, 29 All the first-born of the cattle of the Egyptians are destroyed.
EX 14:9 After having all their cattle destroyed, then afflicted with boils, and then their first-born cattle destroyed, the Egyptians pursue Moses on horseback.

EX 12:13 The Israelites have to mark their houses with blood in order for God to see which houses they occupy and “pass over” them.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from God.

EX 12:37, NU 1:45-46 The number of men of military age who take part in the Exodus is given as more than 600,000. Allowing for women, children, and older men would probably mean that a total of about 2,000,000 Israelites left Egypt.
1KI 20:15 All the Israelites, including children, number only 7000 at a later time.

EX 15:3, 17:16, NU 25:4, 32:14, IS 42:13 God is a man of war–he is fierce and angry.
RO 15:33, 2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is a god of love and peace.

EX 20:1-17 God gave the law directly to Moses (without using an intermediary).
GA 3:19 The law was ordained through angels by a mediator (an intermediary).

EX 20:4 God prohibits the making of any graven images whatsoever.
EX 25:18 God enjoins the making of two graven images.

EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22 Children are to suffer for their parent’s sins.
DT 24:16, EZ 18:19-20 Children are not to suffer for their parent’s sins.

EX 20:8-11, 31:15-17, 35:1-3 No work is to be done on the Sabbath, not even lighting a fire. The commandment is permanent, and death is required for infractions.
MK 2:27-28 Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath (after his disciples were criticized for breaking the Sabbath).
RO 14:5, CN 2:14-16 Paul says the Sabbath commandment was temporary, and to decide for yourself regarding its observance.

EX 20:12, DT 5:16, MT 15:4, 19:19, MK 7:10, 10:19, LK 18:20 Honor your father and your mother is one of the ten commandments. It is reinforced by Jesus.
MT 10:35-37, LK 12:51-53, 14:26 Jesus says that he has come to divide families; that a man’s foes will be those of his own household; that you must hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and even your own life to be a disciple.
MT 23:9 Jesus says to call no man on earth your father.

I’ve read your dysfunctional story book several times…Doesn’t matter where the list came from they are direct contradictory quotes right off of the pages….It proves that either flawed MEN wrote the book or your “god” lied when he claimed that he wasn’t the “author of confusion”

Which is it?

I’m moving on now….You’re infantile and willfully delusional. Anyone who can make up such total bullshit, such total fantasy to explain the nonsense fairy tales in your book is not possible to intelligently communicate with

Thanks for the chat…it’s been fun

I hope you someday see the light

Bye now

You can’t be serious.

Ever see your “god” heal an amputee? Why would your “god” heal your boo boo foot but let millions of children die each year of horrible causes?

Millions of people believed in all the Greek and Roman “gods” A billion “believe” in Krishna and Allah

“Feelings” are not evidence. You cannot have a “relationship” with something that doesn’t exist except in your head, if you’re a psychotic living in the subway or 3 years old with an invisible friend

There are no “prophecies” The new book was written using the old…hello? That’s not predicting the future that’s writing whatever you need to to validate the stupidity of those that wrote nonsense before you

Oh so if I believe then I’ll get the evidence huh? Think about what you just wrote…it’s absurd and infantile

They are the same things because they are demonstrably true!

I never said any such thing.

There is no evidence for any of the 10,000 man made “gods” so I believe in none of them

Only the fearful, ignorant, gullible and socially indoctrinated “believe” in the superstitious and that which cannot be demonstrated to be true

LOL…He “demonstrated” NOTHING.

Feelings and fuzzy personal experience is not evidence.

If it were then aliens would exist, Elvis would exist, Buddah would exist etc etc

You clearly do not know what it means to actually demonstrate something to be true

It means absolutely nothing because it is not evidence

Point out one thing in his infantile babble that can be considered evidence

Exactly and that’s the state you’ll return to someday.

Prove that your claim is true. Prove it. I don’t care about your fuzzy feelings or someone elses opinion…prove it since you claim it as a truth

Been to many…they are all ridiculous filled with gullible fools and terrified old people

And?…any questions?

Ever been to a Buddhist temple? A Mosque? A Shinto Shrine…I think you’ll find the atmosphere similar…funny that huh?

If you showed someone from the Bronze Age your smart phone or better yet you answered all kinds of questions using the internet….they would think that a “miracle” wouldn’t they?>

Who says it’s a “mistake” Demonstrate that it should have been something else and thereby a “mistake”

Yeah…have “jesus” show up and do my dirty dishes in the next 10 minutes…waiting

Oh so every animal that’s gone extinct…been wiped out…from passenger pigeons to velociraptors are extinct because of their sin? hahahhahahha! Come on girl…grow up

Still waiting….nothing’s happening

If “jesus” wanted to do something don’t you think he could just show up and do it? If it’s so important to him that everyone “believe” in him (why would that matter to a god?) he could just show up!! Go on tee vee…do some miracles…seems he didn’t have any problem showing off back in the day eh? Why not now if it’s so damn important? Think!!! THINK!!!

Right! Wives obey your earthly masters! LOL

I don’t “assume” anything…you said “jesus” does things and wants to prove himself to me…well…why didn’t he appear and do my dishes? He didn’t have any problem appearing to people in the past and doing magic tricks.

Tell me…..If “jesus” healed a few lepers why didn’t he cure leprosy? Why did he show off his magic powers to impress a few idiots and…despite having the power to do so…refused to end the suffering of millions of lepers?

What would you think of a drug company that cured 4 people and then withheld the cure from humanity….a drug company who just wanted to show how good they are…

If you are sane you would condemn the drug co just like you should condemn make believe “jesus” Both are moral monsters…you cannot escape this fact

A building full of stupid people singing praises to an invisible make believe deity with a giant Iron Age torture device showing a guy nailed to it….it’s SICK! And these people adore it and bring their kids? CHILD ABUSE! It’s a death cult…it’s sick

Who cares what an absurd ancient book written by ignorant savages 2000 years ago says? Only an idiot would follow a book they don’t even have a clue about who authored it and is demonstrably wrong about everything.

Nope…will never set foot in any indoctrination center again….it’s sick, twisted, destructive and a lie.

All xtian music is slop nonsense ridiculous gibberish for idiots

Mr. Pud,
Do you realize that 84% of the people in the world have a religion? And 1/3 of those people are Christians? Do you really think that many people would believe a lie?? Read or watch the movie “The Case for Christ” by Lee Strobel. It’s about a skeptic like you, trying to prove Christ wrong.
Also– I have a response to your statement.
1. If life was perfect, no one would have a need for a God, much less have a reason to live. Here’s a question for you, why do you live? What’s the point of your life?
2. God doesn’t let people die and starve. He gave man free will, a chance to be with Him. You can’t force a relationship on someone!! If those people turn to God, He can do anything, if only they LET Him. And, if they die, they’ll go straight to Heaven.
Also– that “book” is actually history put together! Every religion, culture, society, etc, ALL have some sort of beginning story or relation to God. Tell me, why are you pin-pointing Christianity?

If your ancient book is “gods word” then your “god” is a genocidal maniac….the flood story proves that….any “god” who had to destroy his own creation is no better than a psychotic child throwing a tantrum….to willingly KILL innocent animals, plants, babies in the womb is SICK! and you have no way around this.

Yet you worship this imaginary monster? What does that say about the state of your mind?

100% of the people in the world once “believed” it flat. Was it? Is it?

Lee Strobel and his book are complete bullshit totally discredited. He is NOT a skeptic and nothing in his book is rational, logical or demonstrable.

For a very good dismantling of his stupid book watch this series …He destroys Strobel and his book 1 chapter at a time

Life is what you make it…You determine your purpose. It is NO purpose to serve a celestial dictator who threatens you with eternal damnation for the horrible crime of “believing” nonsense on no evidence

Could your “god” keep a million children under the age of 5 from dying horrible deaths? Yes or No

5 year old children cannot reason..they are blameless yet your “god” just watches them suffer and die

Prove the existence of your make believe fairy tale “heaven” place

Every culture for the most part has a “creation” MYTH…yep…A MYTH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j60-eK5sfwk&list=PL8B722E1FA8681B70

He is one of the most well spoken intelligent people on the internet. Do you always judge books by their covers? I challenge you to watch it and point out a single thing that he is wrong about….try…don’t be a coward..you won’t bust into flames

He may or may not be intelligent but there are many intelligent superstitious delusional idiots

I don’t need to “do it again”….evolution is a process of change that goes on within species ALL THE TIME. It didn’t happen it is happening all the time!

Just shows that you haven’t the foggiest clue what you’re babbling about

Evolution is a FACT…a demonstrable FACT

Also….Evolution has NOTHING to do with the existence of any “god” or not….another stupid christian false claim.

Catholics accept evolution and a make believe “god” see? The two things have NOTHING to do with one another

Now either engage me intelligently or have a nice delusional day with “jesus”

LOL! I’m not asking anyone to follow me and I have no “teachings” I’m asking you to THINK! To not accept baseless claims and an absurd ancient book! THINK!! Be rational! Care more about what is demonstrably true than what stupid people BELIEVE!

I care that the world functions using REASON not MYTH and SUPERSTITION. We’ve been there and it wasn’t pretty

The dark ages, the middles ages, the bronze age when “christians” burned witches and cut out the tongues of blasphemers…when disease was caused by demons not germs…That’s what religion would have the world be today were it not for the Age of Reason and science

Yes they were! They were puritans in Boston! and Scotland!

I’m tired now….you don’t care what’s real

NO! The people who tried to perpetrate a fraud were shown to be frauds by the actual scientists doing the real work!

You have been fed so much disinformation…it’s really sad

NO! There were a couple of men who tried to pass off something as genuine…the science proved that they were frauds! There are no fake fossils and there are millions and millions of them. What a shame you’ve been so corrupted and doomed to ignorance and superstition. All those people that have lied to you are guilty of child abuse

No you do not KNOW…you make believe you know

To know something you MUST be able to demonstrate it

Mr Pud,
Are you saying that the Bible is full of lies? That nothing in it is even remotely true?
Archaeology has proved time and time again that the bible is true.
Did you know that current surviving bible manuscripts get closer to the original work than any other manuscript from the ancient world?

You have mentioned before that you shouldn’t believe in something you can’t physically see. What about the air around us? You are breathing it and yet you can’t see it, you know it’s there.

I wouldn’t do anything except try to reason with them and show why they are victims of a psychological disease spread by an apocalyptic death cult

I’d have to ask you too…”hope” for what? Existing for all eternity in some form kissing the celestial dictators butt forever and ever? Even perpetual Disneyland would grow so mundane and boring you would beg for death. Life is good because it’s fleeting. Eating ice cream every day forever and ever would lose its appeal very quickly. No flower would be beautiful if it bloomed all the time…it would look like dirt after a while. A flower is special because its bloom and fragrance are short lived. It is unique because it’s fleeting and things that are rare are more valuable. Perpetual anything would be torture….you need to THINK!

Funny that you would find an invisible man living at the north pole with talking reindeer and a magical sleigh would be silly but you buy into the nonsense of talking snakes, talking donkeys, invisible realms and holy ghosts.

Telling the truth is ALWAYS better than telling a made up story. ALWAYS

My sons deal with reality not make believe regardless of what “feels good”

Everyone could get a lobotomy in your world and they would never worry or fret about anything would they? Is that better than dealing with the universe the way it is? Religion is a form of lobotomy

Hahahhahahha!! How did Thursday come to be? It’s named after the god Thor! So does Thor exist?

LOL….do you worship a deity? Do you belong to a group of people with a similar ideology all worshiping a deity? Then you are a religion.

Who fills your head with this rubbish?

Oh really? The “logic” is exactly the same.If a day of the week is named after a god then by your limited reasoning ability there MUST have been a real god by that name!

So..if you were taking a subway and some guy was standing on the platform claiming to be “jesus” or claiming that he’s talking to “jesus”…..would you move closer to him or further away?

You’re irrational and delusional

Eyewitness accounts are flimsy evidence at best. Ask any 10 people to recount their version of a car wreck and you’ll get 10 similar but different accounts

There ARE NO EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS of any “jesus’ at all….absolutely NONE. or of any of the other nonsense in your make believe book. NONE…it is a story! Written long long after the supposed events

We arrive as what is true by testing. We propose something to be true and then design tests to prove that it so or not.

There are NO tests for ANY religious story from ANY faith whatsoever

Do some actual research

Tell me the actual names of the authors of the new testament gospels.

Tell me when they were written and then tell me if there were any eyewitnesses to anything from the garden of eden to jesus and the tomb

I can save you the time….no one knows who wrote them and everyone…everyone admits they were NOT eyewitness accounts. This includes EVERY biblical scholar on the planet whether a “believer” or not

Lying is a sin no? I didn’t say that.

I said I would discard anything you post as evidence that lacks DATA to back it up. You can’t ask your neighbor who’s not a biblical scholar and expect me to accept that!

Provide the names and the dates and proof of eyewitnesses and back it up with data…..you wouldn’t buy a car from a used car salesman just on his word would you? You would want to read consumer reports that give objective data to back up claims

So just do the same don’t weasel out now

Then tell me who wrote the 4 books of the gospel, when they were written and then admit that there were no eye witnesses to anything as you claimed as evidence to be “believed”

So you’re saying that even if you find out for yourself you still will willingly stay in denial? That’s sad

I’m not going to play these silly games with you…answer my questions or good bye..

Who wrote the 4 gospels…..when….name any eyewitnesses and how you know they actually were and were credible

This is what we will discuss

We are not drifting off topic

Your feet are to the fire now

Answer or good bye

Wrong…Harry Potter has hundreds of references to Harry Potter too….The bible is not evidence for itself!

It is NOT evidence what someone wrote 200 years after the fact…that is HEARSAY!

Historians ONLY mentioned “christians” not “christ” and there were plenty of them roaming around at the time

If that’s all you got it’s pretty damn weak!!

Although some scholars disagree, the vast majority of researchers believe that Mark was the first Gospel to be written, sometime around the year 70. This scholarly consensus holds that the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke were composed, independently of one another, sometime in the 80s or 90s.Dec 13, 2016
The Dating of the Gospels – Boston College

That is what hundreds of years of scholarship says …that’s the best any of us has to go on. You can make up anything you want and believe anything you like but RATIONAL people subscribe to what the experts SHOW until SHOWN otherwise

The buybull is just words..men’s flimsy words..how do you know they’re true?

Prove it!

They mentioned “christian” CULTS not “christ” None of them were eyewitness to anything and the few words from Josephus have been shown to be fraudulent insertions.

These historians ONLY spoke about the christian cults that did exist at the time…they offer NO evidence for the actual person of “jesus”

Read more carefully

NONE of that points to ANY “god” They are ALL arguments from ignorance. You can’t explain something therefore some “god” did it….It is the most basic fallacy apologists make.

The universe is amazing!

Does the “god” make storms? People used to think so until we understood weather!

Does the “god” make thunder? People used to think so until we undersood lightening

Does the “god” get angry when a volcano erupts? People used to think so until we understood geology

ETC ETC ETC

More stupid CLAIMS! PROVE IT!! Prove that “god” does anything! You can’t just assert krap!

Volcanos erupt without any “god”….Does Pele exist?

Don’t be so ridiculous when I know you know better

No it isn’t….it’s just another argument from ignorance or an argument from incredulity…you don’t know about it, can’t explain it yet therefore an invisible “god” did it…which can’t be shown and explains NOTHING

” One historian suggests that Tacitus is here “bearing indirect … testimony to the conviction of the early church”

Can you not read or comprehend?

Well that just proves one thing….You’re a very stupid indoctrinated young lady who doesn’t give a damn about truth, reality, honesty or reality….You simply want to “believe” what you want to “believe” no matter what evidence is put right under your nose. You are a cult member…and indoctrinated non critically thinking drone….I think we’re done now….I pity you and curse those who did this to you

I’ve challenged him 100 times to an open debate…he refuses. He’s terrified. Why don’t you suggest it to him

Actually I can…Can any “god” be “measured” or “detected”?

Yes or no? If something is undetectable then it is exactly the same as non existent

Show me an experiment that can measure or detect a “god”

That’s correct so how stupid and gullible does one have to be to “believe” in ANYTHING that can simply be written off as undetectable supernatural? LOL Do you “believe” in ghosts? Talking to the dead? The “paranormal”?

Ask him then…I would gut him like a fish for all to see. He is totally delusional…he’s a lunatic…demons! devils! sin! repent or else!! He’s a nutbag who makes his wretched living lying to children

There shouldn’t be any anthem played or flag waved…it’s a game! A sport not a forum for political ideology, military recruitment or nationalism.

I wasn’t very happy with all of that nonsense either

I am a human being on planet earth. Nationalism is nothing but divisive and destructive. Tribalism is responsible for more wars and suffering than any human folly. Tell me what an “american” is? You can’t because it isn’t anything and it isn’t better than any other human from any other country

Is Norway awesome? Is Switzerland and Australia awesome? Are the people in Kenya less than the people in america?

Show one “lie” I’ve ever told. You are a naive’ uneducated child….you babble nonsense, believe nonsense, cannot critically think and know next to nothing of the world or reality

You’re a silly know nothing brainwashed little girl acting grown up by waving a flag and a buybull.

We proclaimed a dream of an America that would be a Shining City on a Hill.
—President Ronald Reagan, 1984

I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.
—President Barack Obama, 2014

It has become obligatory. To be taken seriously in American politics, one must kneel before the altar of “American exceptionalism”—the messianic notion that the United States is a constant source for good in the world with a unique mission to spread its particular values.

At times, this manifests itself in absurdist minutiae, such as then-presidential candidate Barack Obama sparking controversy when he was seen without the requisite American flag pin on the lapel of his suit jacket. Gasp. Lambasted in the press for this unpatriotic symbolic gaffe, Obama soon sported the compulsory pin. He sported it safely through the presidency.

Both major political parties have long since reached a consensus of sorts on extolling America’s messianic global mission. To even question the contours of that crusade—despite 17 years of failing military quagmires—is to commit political suicide and be relegated to the margins of public life.

For once, the mainstream politicians might be right. A rigorous look at the United States of 2018 (or 2002, or 1850, for that matter) indicates that America may well be exceptional—only not in the ways most of its citizens think. On many issues and several levels, America’s culture of militarism (both at home and abroad) stands out as the unique dark side of the exceptionalist project. We are, in fact, extraordinary among the family of nations. Unfortunately, that which makes us exceptional is the dogged militarism that consistently brands the U.S. as an international pariah.

Perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised when regular global polling indicates that a large percentage of the earth’s population considers the United States the greatest threat to world peace. After all, ours was a nation founded—in part—by religious zealots obsessed with creating a New Jerusalem in North America (native inhabitants be damned). In fact, one could plausibly argue that America’s two key founding proclivities were “city on a hill” exceptionalism and greedy conquest. Just ask a Native American. Or a Mexican.

Still, in 2018, it’s worth reviewing just a few ways the United States is, indeed, darkly exceptional.

Other countries are sometimes aggressive and expansionist (think Russian irredentism and Chinese bullying in the South China Sea), but only the United States maintains a worldwide system of hundreds of military bases in scores of countries. The United States military even divides the entire planet into a series of geographic combatant commands (GCCs), each led by a four-star flag officer—a figure as much imperial proconsul as humble soldier. Most Americans can’t seem to fathom why these forward deployments on every continent appear aggressive to so many global citizens. Still, one wonders how the U.S. would react if China set up bases in Mexico or Russia did the same in Newfoundland.

How about prepping for and actually fighting overseas wars? Well, we’re the champs here, too. In 2016, baseline U.S. military spending reached $611 billion, and it’s only going to rise—by about $100 billion—under Trump. That’s more than China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, France, the United Kingdom, Japan and Germany combined. Oh, yeah, and the last six are all U.S. “allies” or “strategic partners.” Despite the prevailing rhetoric of peace and harmony, the U.S. is also the leader in global arms sales, including transactions with some of the world’s worst human rights abusers.

In terms of active conflict, the U.S. military has been at war now for nearly 17 straight years. In that time, America has conducted more overt regime changes—three—than any other country. Each of those regime change operations, whether in Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya, has led to chaos, civil war and millions of dead. None of these post-invasion countries could reasonably be labeled free or stable despite all the bloodshed and trillions spent. And America’s wars are still spreading. In 2016 alone, the U.S. dropped 26,000-plus bombs on at least seven countries. Given the current mood in Washington, expect that number only to rise.

You’re sorry for me? LOL!

I’m not the ignorant one, the brainwashed one, the one wedded to a superstitious cult, the one who doesn’t value truth or evidence, the one who simply believes what she wants to believe, the one ignorant of history both american and biblical and I’m not the one terrified of opposing points of view etc.

Pray your dull brains out….nothing will come of it.

So what? Everyone was part of a religious cult back then…has nothing to do with the character of this nation or its founding. WHO CARES WHAT ANYONE BELIEVES?

What matters is WHAT’S TRUE!!

Was Benjamin Franklin an atheist? – Quora
https://www.quora.com/Was-Benjamin-Franklin-an-atheist
Dec 31, 2015 – No, he was more of a Deist. He distrusted organized religion and certainly did not believe in Christian dogma. You might call him a believer in intelligent design; as a scientist, he felt that the orderly structure of the universe was due to the h…

Mr. Pud,
Are you saying that because we can’t see air, it’s not real? Science has proved that both air and God exist.

Mr. Pud,
God gave you a chance to choose what you want to do in your life. He’s not going to show up and do all of your chores!
He did all those miracles at that time to prove Himself as God. If ONLY you ASK in, PRAY to Him, then He will reveal Himself to you.
Look, we don’t know what happened in your life, or what your situation is with God. If you’re willing to share, what happened to you that made you so against Christianity, and God? Then, together, we can work together. Find a solution.

Not too bright are you?

1. I don’t “believe” anything. I accept certain propositions to degrees of certainty based upon the strength of evidence. Only stupid people “believe” things. I “know” things to degrees of certainty and change my position when the evidence changes

2. Da Vinci has self portraits, volumes written about his life and times. He left paintings and sculpture and has official records of his existence. It is highly probable that he existed

3. The Aztecs were a civilization and their remains and descendants are all over the place! No one questions that they existed as a civilization.

jesus is a make believe character in a story book who has absolutely NO historical evidence to support his existence

LOL!

Look, I’ve already gone round and round with a stupid indoctrinated know nothing young lady here and all she did the entire time was offer the same stupid mindless unsupported claims and assertions that you’re offering.

I’m not interested in engaging another brainwashed young cult member who has no respect for reason, logic or evidence

Your cult is evil. I don’t do evil. I oppose evil and I mostly oppose those who lie to children which is exactly what your mental jail keepers have done to you

Have a nice night

Your memory seems to be as weak as your reasoning ability

I want religious cults all banished to the dust bin of history where all the other 9999 “gods” reside

I want a world ruled by reason and evidence …. all religious cults are the polar opposite of reason and a a terrible step back into the dark ages of ignorance and superstition

I’ll give you the last word…I don’t converse with immature little girls online…cheers!

I don’t “believe” in anything. “Belief” is the most dishonest position one can have. With “belief” there is no requirement for being true and every “belief” has the same status as every other “belief” A “belief” in alien abduction has the same standing as a “belief” in “jesus”, bigfoot or the loch ness monster.

What I do is “accept” certain propositions to degrees of certainty depending upon the strength of the evidence.

For example….I do not “believe” in “evolution” rather I accept the theory given that it is the best explanation for how species change over time. I accept the theory because all the evidence indicates that it is true. I remain open to changing my position should the evidence change.

Any idiot can “believe” anything therefore “belief” is a dishonest position. To accept any claim or proposition requires understanding, evidence and the ability to be demonstrated as true. “Belief” has no requirements whatsoever

It is the ONLY sane and rational position.

If you “know” something there’s no need to “believe” in it. However you can “believe” in pink unicorns without even a shred of evidence to support your “belief” “Knowledge” might be viewed as justifiable “belief” but I see the two as complete opposites.

You can “believe” in things like invisible undetectable “gods” absent any evidence or proof for their existence but you cannot “know” that “gods” exist without facts and evidence.

Therefore I do not “believe” in anything and neither should any rational person

You are completely wrong. The “dictionary” gives common usages it is not the arbiter of what is true or false. I gave you the logical rational differences between “belief” and “knowledge” and they stand because they are logical.

A “belief” in Thor, Krishna, Apollo or jesus is not “all we have” One can have a totally fine sense of being without “belief” in absurd superstitions and mythology.

Considering that men have invented at least 10,000 “gods” you have very very slim odds of being right

Thanks for the compliment. Lets be careful not to sound as though we are taking side though 🙂

That’s the typical reaction of the deluded indoctrinated sheep when confronted with rational arguments…run away..run away!

The difference son is that I can show my stance to be correct while you can only continue to make unsupported “claims” and “assertions”

I’m sure there are many things you haven’t heard given that it’s likely you live a very controlled, sheltered and insulated life. No doubt all you ever hear is the repetitious drone of your cult peers and elders who want more than anything to keep you isolated from the rational secular world