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Where should guys and girls draw the line on physical contact?

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March 27, 2015
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AMANDA WRITES: I’ve heard many different viewpoints about how much physical contact is too much before marriage. I’ve seen some people saying that girls should never hug guys, and some people say we shouldn’t touch them at all. I’ve decided not to kiss a guy till my wedding day, but what about other things? Hugs? Holding hands? Is there a specific place we should stop (other than actually having sex), or is it a matter of personal convictions?

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  • There’s no specific cut off line for physical contact, but in my opinion, you should draw the line at anything that tempts you to go….too far. Standards will vary from person to person, but personally I’m fine with a quick hug.

    Another way to think about it is, anything you do before you get married (holding hands, kissing, whatever) won’t be special to marriage anymore (if that makes sense). So how much do you want to save and have be special for your future spouse?

    Hope this helps! =)

  • And question: was it @amandabeguerie:disqus or @disqus_LzTgmwudVU:disqus (or another Amanda) that submitted this DQ?

  • Your answer is very close to thoughts from book Boy Meets Girs (by Joshua Harris)… btw. It is very worthwhile book related to this topic!

  • Yeah, I’ve read that book! You know it’s Josh’s brother Brett that runs this website, right?

    And btw, I see that this is your first comment – welcome to the Rebelution! =D

  • This is an awkward topic for me, since I’m up for hugs and high fives and sitting next to my close guy friends, and a few of my other friends have been raised thinking it’s not okay in any way at all to be talking to a guy unless you’re in a group conversation.

    I’m not really sure where my guy friends draw the line, so I usually let them make the first move in going for a hug or just waving goodbye. But yeah, like @josh_whatshislastname:disqus said, what do you want to want to save for marriage? If you and the other person both feel comfortable holding hands, hugging, etc., it’s alright to do so, as long as your thoughts stay pure.

  • I’m saving my first kiss for marriage as well!
    I’ve heard plenty of different things when it comes to physical contact, and I’ve came to the conclusion that you should set your own boundaries according to what your convicted about and what pushes you too close to the line.
    For example: some people wait til they’re engaged or married until they hold hands. I’m not convicted of that really, so I probably will hold hands before then.
    The Bible doesnt say “Don’t hug until marriage. Don’t hold hands until marriage. Don’t do this, don’t do that.” It does say (in several verses) that you are to stay pure. (An example of this is 1 Timothy 4:12. 🙂 ) So the Bible doesnt give a “Physical Don’t List” (except in the area of sex. It does talk quite a bit about that.) but it does tell us to remain pure. So if something physical tempts you to compromise your purity, don’t do it. Stay away.

  • Wow, no talking to guy at unless you’re in a group? That IS strict. How would you know who you wanted to marry or whatever if you can’t even get to know them?

    Another thing that rubs me wrong about that is that it paints all guys with the same brush – “don’t talk to boys they might try to flirt with you” or whatever. But not all guys are like that!! Some guys just want to be friends, ya know? =)

  • The Bible doesn’t place any lines on us for physical contact, unless we cross that line. So, do what you have to do to avoid temptation to cross the line. I know some people take it to the extreme and say that “no-touch” courtship is the only way to be Biblical, and others say that you can get as close to the line as you want as long as you don’t cross it.

    This is where the Holy Spirit comes into play in our lives. Unlike what many think, rules cannot keep you from sin by themselves. A lot of teens I know have thought that the mere placement of rules (no kissing, no being alone together) would protect them, but that’s what the Holy Spirit is for. Listen to His leading in your own life. When you’re tempted, set a boundary there, but at the end of the day, that’s a conviction not set in scripture. I believe it all boils down to personal conviction and what the Holy Spirit reveals to each of us personally. Make sense?

  • I’ve heard the same thing before. Any one-on-one conversation is no longer “accountable” and thus off limits. ‘Cause I’ll be able to discern who I want to marry while standing in a group of six teens talking. You know, people are so open and up-front about their struggles, trial, and temptations in a group setting! (sarcasm; I think it’s my spiritual gift.)

    I know, right? I’ve read books and heard speakers say things like the comments above, and I just think, “not all of us are like that! Chill!”

  • Yeah…personally, I think that kissing would lead to too much
    temptation, so I’m probably going to save it until I get married. =) But that’s just me…

  • Just ask my friends and family! I’m afraid it’s true! At least, I hope it’s a spiritual gift, and not the other thing… 🙂

  • Of course…. 😉

    You actually didn’t strike me as a sarcastic type of person when we met, but it was only for a couple hours so…

  • Well, I was on my best party behavior! I hardly knew anyone there, so I wasn’t exactly as free as I am normally with the artillery. Now on here…

  • Well @josh_whatshislastname:disqus pretty much covered it 🙂 Here’s
    my two cents: the Bible doesn’t lay down a definite “line” besides
    the ultimate line–immorality. But Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:22, “Flee also
    youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that
    call on the Lord out of pure heart.” Flee them. Give no place to them.
    Whatever line you draw, make sure it is one that guards your heart and the
    heart of the other person. Everyone is tempted differently. For me, fleeing lust
    means no physical contact, other than handshakes and high fives, and not being
    alone with a member of the opposite gender. I am a very physical person–my
    parents had to teach me to back off on the touch when I was a little kid. And
    to be honest, touch “turns me on”, so to speak. Set up whatever
    safeguards you need to keep it pure and don’t compromise. ~AnnaGrace

  • Yeah, I never would have guessed, but Josh’s computer like memory recognized me from a picture on my blog. We met at a mutual friends Christmas party last December, a month before I even started commenting on the Reb.

  • Lol yeah…so random question I never got around to asking you earlier how do you know….*starts to type in last name then realizes he shouldn’t* our hosts?

  • We attended the same church and he’s been one of my best friends for about ten years. I think I was about seven (making him 9) when we first met. We’ve been friends ever since. we went through leaving a church together, so that kinda cemented our friendship even further. How about yourself?

  • I totally know what you mean! The guys in my youth group are the ones who usually make all the jokes, so I hang out with them before we break up into our groups. I would never hug any of them, that would be a little weird. I occasionally give them high fives.

  • Oh gosh, where to start lol…they hosted a “homeschool chess club” when I was eight or so, then they (all three of the oldest) took lessons from the piano teacher I took with, then they started coming to our church and still do. =)

  • Because the Bible does not say, “Thou shalt not kiss before your wedding day” or “Thou shalt not hold hands until you are engaged,” these things fall within our Christian liberty. However, “All things are lawful, but not everything is helpful. All things are lawful, but not everything builds up.” (1 Cor. 10:23) Rather than thinking about how close to the line we can get without sinning, what the question really should be is, “How does this (whatever it is) bring glory to God?” If that thing is a blatant sin, it cannot give glory to God. If it causes another person to stumble, it does not give glory to God. However, if you can do something for God, His way, in a manner that points to His greatness and reflects His goodness,than it should be ok to do.* That will look different to different people, but with whatever you do, you should make sure that you are doing it with the right motivation. “Whether you eat or drink, do all to the glory of God.” (1 Cor. 10:31)

    *(Josh Harris has a good definition of living to the glory of God in his book, Boy Meets Girl.)

  • Does the piano teacher’s last name start with a “p”, cause if so, I know him too! Oh, and y’all go to church together! Cool!

  • I think it’s basically a matter of personal convictions, since (like other people have said) the Bible doesn’t have set rules for this. I don’t necessarily set my own boundaries based on what is going to cause me and others to sin or what isn’t, because that’s different for everyone. I draw the line at doing something that I would want to be purely between me and my future husband, (like @josh_whatshislastname:disqus and @steelersfan08:disqus mentioned) which for me includes, beside the obvious, kissing and too much physical contact. Holding hands or quick hugs are a little less intimate in my opinion, that’s just me, but I don’t want to take away from anything that should be special in marriage (and that God created just for marriage).
    Don’t know if that helps, but good question Amanda! 🙂

  • Yeah, I want to know something about a girl’s depth before I begin a more serious relationship with her, and I don’t think you can learn all those things from group conversations. I’ve never understood how you’re supposed to have deep, serious conversations with a young lady if you have to be in a group i order to talk together. There are certain things I won’t say about my life in front of a group, and I’m sure there are things other people won’t say in front of a group either.

  • I’m not a teenager anymore (though I did follow the Rebelution and read all of Josh Harris’s books when I was), but I was once at a point in my life where I was asking these same questions. I think the answer will be a little different for everyone, because everyone is different. My husband and I saved our first kiss for our wedding day and were virgins on our wedding night. We didn’t even hold hands until we had been seeing each other intentionally for six months, which probably seems extreme to some people but it worked well for us. We wanted to make a clear-headed decision about marriage, and we didn’t want to commit more with our bodies than we had committed with our lives. Both of us wanted to save as much of our physical contact until after marriage as possible, so that it would be special – something we had only ever enjoyed with each other. It was difficult to maintain those standards (since nobody ever tells you that physical contact will feel like the RIGHT thing to do when you grow to love someone deeply), but we would’t change what we did for the world. It was so worth it, and waiting before marriage has prepared us to wait for things after marriage (I’m pregnant with my second child after losing my first prematurely). Our current relationship is so much stronger because we exercised self-control when we hadn’t yet entered into the marriage covenant.

  • I’ve only done a hug shoulder twice with a girl. I usually don’t touch them but if they feel sad I give them a slight pat on the shoulder. that usually makes them laugh.

  • Okay, so y’all have brought up some interesting views (none that I necessarily disagree with) on one-on-one guy/girl conversations. However, where do you draw the line with how many guy/girl friends you’re willing to “talk about life” with? ‘Cause friends will come and go, and I know I wouldn’t want to talk about my life and have true, deep conversations with just any ole’ friend of mine!

  • I don’t understand that – how you can be talking about something dead serious, and then just slip a joke in somewhere, and then just go right on talking seriously again… it’s not fair!!

  • I’d say it depends on personal conviction. Different people have different ideas of what’s appropriate.

  • I’ve never gotten the “no-touch” courtship idea. It just doesn’t seem healthy.
    Yep, makes sense! 🙂

  • Ok, I have a very small circle of very close friends that I can really talk heart-to-heart with. That circle only includes one girl, because I honestly relate better to guys usually. That group though is not a gender divided group. They’re people I’ve come to respect and deeply trust, and neither of those things are dependent on whether or not they’re a guy or a girl.

    I’ve only had one close friendship with a girl in my life, so I’m probably not the best guy to answer you on the subject. Point being, any friend who’s earned my respect and trust is someone I feel I can confide some of my deeper thoughts with. I tend to do that a lot more easily with other guys, but that’s not to say I will not share those conversations with a girl too.

    The idea is to hopefully choose friends that will be trustworthy over a long time! Some friends do come and go, but usually there will be a small nucleus of friends that will stay true to each other!

    Does that help at all?

  • Agreed. While I am someone who has implemented the idea in my own life that I have no intention of kissing before marriage, “no-touch” seems to be taking it a bit too far! I mean, seriously, I can shake hands with any girl in the church except the one I’m engaged too? In what universe does that make sense?

    I get some of the motivation behind the rule, but seriously, do people really believe that Christian teens are so lacking in self-control that we can’t high-five or shake hands?

  • Lol, that REALLY cracks me up! A pat on the shoulder, that’s so corny I LOVE it!!!!

  • “sit on a porch swing and talk about life without anyone with you”… Aha, finally, someone else who talks to themselves! 🙂

    I know what you meant, just couldn’t resist putting that out there!

  • In my opinion, you really can’t make a general rule. What may seem harmless to you, could be considered sinful to another person, and you need to respect that. I certainly don’t suggest handing out hugs to people you have just met. That’d be slightly awkward and weird. However, I don’t agree with all these girls that stay away from guys or refuse to have conversations with them outside of a group setting. They are our brothers in Christ, ladies! Some of them are great guys!

    Now, I can say this because not too many years ago, I was terrified. I mean, terrified of talking to boys. Wouldn’t make eye contact, wouldn’t go near them, had a mini heart attack if one of them started talking to me. However, that all changed when I met this one guy who became my best friend. Yes, I have a guy best friend, and he’s awesome. Now, I am friends with multiple people of both genders. Guys won’t automatically assume that you have a crush on them if you start talking to them, girls. I’ve been able to have deep conversations about faith and theology with several guys, and it’s blessed me more than I can say.

    But back to physical contact, I’d say it would depend on the guy. I mean, I give high-fives to guys all the time. Just always show respect. For me, it’s pretty easy to tell if a guy is more standoffish. Treat him like you would want to be treated. Like a friend and like someone you like and respect.

  • As a girl, I can say that that would definitely make me laugh. Hahaha! If I was really sad, and I was telling this guy friend how I was feeling, and all of a sudden, with a very sympathizing face, he lightly did one pat on my shoulder. Yes, that would strike me as funny and probably cheer me up. So good job, Carson!

  • I freely admit I’m crazy. More people should try it, cause it’s pretty fun! It’s a lot more fun than being normal, that’s for sure!

  • I honestly think things like hugging are no big deal. I would wait awhile before a kiss on the lips, but not till marriage. And I think that’s as far as you should go.

  • I love these people! Finally, others who talk to themselves and don’t always finish sentences!! I’m not alone!

  • I think you should be mindful of your own boundaries, and that one thing can lead to other things.

    I’ve also heard from a lot of people that they want to save their first kiss for their wedding day. I never thought about that, but then someone pointed out to me that that means you’ll be going from never having kissed to the ‘wedding night’ in one day, which might be way too fast for some people’s comfort level. But for other people that might be exactly what they want to do.

  • Part of it comes down to personal convictions I keep some rules in mind tho. Don’t be puritanical about it. and always approach with the right intentions.

  • Your friend is assuming that the wedding night must involve EVERYTHING all at once. There’s no reason a couple who has never kissed can’t warm up to intimacy at their own pace. Just a thought!

  • Amanda, love your resolve to save your first kiss for your wedding day. I have decided that too! Someone said to me it is more romantic that way…and I heard another say saving your first kiss is something special only you can give to your husband. As far as the cut off for physical contact I think it depends on individual convictions…peoples beliefs will vary greatly on the subject. The ultimate goal is purity so I would stop at whatever feels like it is taking away from that. In other words if something proves to be tempting, avoid it! Long hugs are probably not a good idea, in my opinion. Holding hands would be nice, though. Just some ideas that came to me…

  • Hey Jonathan! I see you’re not totally new to The Reb, but welcome aboard again! 😀

  • Like others, I think I will point to @josh_whatshislastname:disqus’s comment as pretty much what I would say. Don’t draw a line and see how close you can get to it, Be ready to flee from anything that ‘gets your motor going’ (that’s how Mum puts it). It may be different for different people, and Mum assures me that it’s also different at different times. Sometimes you might be fine with an A-frame hug (may I just say that’s ALWAYS how I’d hug my guy friends), other times just holding hands might be too much for you. Be honest with each other, and make sure you know that if someone backs out, it’s cause they need some space, and it’s not just being offensive!

    In terms of physical contact in friendships, I think that varies with the people too. Honestly, I would say ‘less is more’ (or better), but I can’t draw a line. For example, with one of my guy friends, we often give each other a quick A-frame hug upon meeting or saying goodbye – but I try to let him initiate that, out of respect that at times he just might not be able to. With another guy friend, we don’t hug. In fact, we don’t touch at all really. And I’m OK with that – it’s just where our friendship’s at. If he were to initiate a hug, I’d probably be fine with that. But for now, we just don’t. With yet another guy friend (who is actually my younger brother’s age, so he’s almost like a younger bro to me too), I wouldn’t hug him, but I do punch him in the arm every now and again (that sounds so mean, lol :P) and stuff like that. So it changes with both you and the guy. That said, though, I think there is stuff that is no-go. A friend of mine regularly engages in tickle and wrestle fights with the guys at her school, etc. Honestly, I think that’s too far.

  • Definitely. There are certain topics girls shouldn’t talk to guys about. Some boundaries, rather topic, physical contact, etc., should not be crossed.

  • I think you should be in group settings, or at least have someone around, for the most part. Not to say that you can’t talk one-on-one at all.

  • @Kittenese:disqus @disqus_oMHOgFTIn3:disqus @brooklynmorrison:disqus You guys are hilarious!

  • Lol it’s a good question thanks for submitting it! =D

    And try tagging me you’ll see that I don’t have a last name…

  • Oh man… Well I know if you just start typing ‘@’ and then the start of their name, it’ll come up in a drop-down list, but only if they’ve already commented somewhere on the post. I don’t know how to do it if they haven’t, but I know other people do. @josh_whatshislastname:disqus – any clue?

  • press the @ button then start typing in my name..like this: @disqus_LzTgmwudVU:disqus or @josh_whatshislastname:disqus. =)

  • Hmmm that didn’t work it should pop up in red letters. Are you on The Rebelution or not?

  • Did you select it from the drop-down list, or just type it? Cause I think you have to select it.

  • Don’t be shy 🙂 I almost was too, but i was like “whatever I’ll just go for it…” And it got published! *happy dance* thanks Brett!!

  • Sorry, it’s possible to respond on your Disqus homepage. :-/ Not sure why it’s not working for you, does it not come up with a dropdown menu thingy?

  • Um… Well, I get it even if its not in a reply to me. Subscribed to the thread? The conversation? (Not good at technical words.) Idk… I don’t think so…

  • Haha! Um… that might be a bit tricky… Should I dare you to try and crack into it?

  • *Virtual pat on the shoulder* I should look through your profile and see where you’ve explained it to someone else, and let Amanda know.

  • Alright guys, LISTEN UP!! If your intentions for a hug are to get as close as you can to a girl, JUST DON’T!! If your intentions for a hug is you wan’t to hug your friend because your happy to see them, or to cheer them up, that’s fine. Hwy do you want to kiss a girl. You may have automatically said because you love them, but think about it. Is it to show off to your single friends, or to tell all of your on the edge friends with their on the edge girlfriends that you can push the limit too. ” Be no envious of evil men, nor desire to be with them, for their hearts devise violence, and their lips talk of trouble.” Proverbs 24:1-2. I know I won’t kiss a girl (even on the cheek) until I have known them prayed over them and asked God if they are the right on for me, Meaning I would like to date them for at least six months before we become any more physical than a hug.

  • I also thought that it was moving a little fast… I also thought it would be a little awkward having your first kiss with someone in front of a lot of other people. Some people may not have problems kissing their special someone for the first time in front a hundred or so people. However, I would want my kiss to be a little private.

  • Gabrielle, I want my kiss to be when I am engaged. I don’t like the idea of kissing my future husband for the first time in front of a lot of people. I would prefer my future husband to propose to me in private as well. But that’s just me. 🙂

  • I guess it depends on what you mean by a deep conversation. I know that I’ve shared a lot of serious things in a conversation that was meaningful to me with my best friend, who is a guy. I do see the need for a limit, though, and I think it’s essential in a lot of relationships.

  • Yeah, I know Taylor. He’s one of my best friends, we go to the same church, and he has my warped sense of humor. I can attest to his awesomeness in person. 🙂

  • I feel the same way! I understand that a first kiss is not to be taken lightly, and I think that I just wouldn’t be able to enjoy mine if it were in front of all my wedding guests (including my entire extended family!). I really respect all the people who have decided to save their first kiss for their wedding, but personally I feel differently. I do want it to be pretty close to the wedding, though.

  • Like everyone’s pretty much already said, it’s really a matter of convictions. Certain boundaries for some people may not make sense for others, because we all struggle in different aspects. Personally, I want to save my first kiss for marriage. It definitely won’t be easy, but it will be really cool to have that bond in the long run. There is a woman at my church who does classes about purity, and one things she mentioned was that she remembers those kisses she had with other guys before marriage. I want those memories to be just of me and my husband. 🙂 As for hugging, at this point in my life, I don’t have a lot of guy friends and the one’s I do have, I would only hug on special occasions. I find it awkward to just randomly hug a guy. 🙂

  • That’s a good point. Personally, I’ve only had heart-to-hearts with a handful of people, usually girl friends of mine at sleepovers. (What is it about those sleepovers, that makes it so easy to open up?) 🙂

  • Hmm.. I can see that. I understand. Even though I want to wait till my wedding day I would be a little nervous about missing or something!! 🙂

  • Another thing I wanted to reply to was when you said, “How would you know who you wanted to marry or whatever if you can’t even get to know them?” Getting to know a person wouldn’t or shouldn’t be the deciding factor. God should be the one to tell you who He wants you to marry.

  • They’re our brothers in Christ, but they’re not our biological brothers… we have to remember that.
    Different people will choose to have different levels of friendships with guys; for me it’s different than it will be for you, and that’s okay. I know what you mean about being terrified of guys; that was me until a couple of years ago.
    Yeah, high-fives are one of the best inventions ever! A great way to greet someone or to say “good job” without it being awkward/too much.
    🙂

  • For me it is very important to wait until I’m married to kiss for the first time. Because what if for some reason I don’t end up marring the person I kiss… them how will my future spouse feel? And the bible cleary says to refrain from sexual imorality before marrige.

    As far as it being awkward kissing for the first time in front of lots of people… I TOTALLY get you there!!!! 🙂 What I want to do at my wedding is to have a private kiss like Ben and Jessa Dillard!

  • When it comes to friends I think you should have a balance of both genders. Guy friends are pretty awesome. I too, have had deep conversations with a guy friend of mine. Some girls are just so emotional that if they made the standard, for themselves, to not talk to guys unless in a group setting, I would understand. For that person, I’d recommend getting stable emotionally.

  • But… it would really mean a lot. That he’s being nice but not making me uncomfortable (basically anything more would…) IMO 🙂

  • Hey! That is great 🙂 If it was me, I would appreciate the sentiment and that you didn’t do anything more. It would really cheer me up!
    Don’t listen to the people who say you’re over-cautious!

  • I would debate that… my parents, my oldest sister, and my oldest brother all did that, and they wouldn’t change anything if they had a chance 🙂

  • 🙂 They’re tons of fun!! Although, there never is a ton of sleep involved. The last one I hosted involved literally ripping a door in my house off it’s hinges, while my dad went to go pick up pizza for us…he wasn’t too thrilled when he got home.

  • Yeah, holding hands gets really… something. Emotional or awkward, depending on if you are attracted to that person.

  • You can learn a lot from group settings! Not deeply personal things, but you get a good idea of a person’s personality, likes and dislikes, life in general.
    I personally don’t hang out with guys outside of groups, but that’s not to say that I won’t have a mini-conversation with a guy friend if everyone else suddenly disappears.
    Mostly it’s for the girls’ protection – we tend to read more into friendships than most guys realize 🙂 But also, from my short time in the “real world” at work, I’ve come to greatly appreciate the boundaries I set up, because there are some real flirts out there. Are all guys like that? NOOOO! But better safe than sorry… IMO.

  • Could you elaborate on that a little? What do you mean “God should be the one to tell you”?

    In my mind, getting to know other people doesn’t mean God can’t tell me. It just means I’m being friendly at this point and leaving the timing in God’s hands. When the time is right, God will show me. But like other things, while I do trust God to reveal it to me, my job is not to sit back in a chair and let it happen. Does any of that make sense?

  • Yet… “The heart is deceitful above all things” and it’s easy to trick yourself into thinking God’s telling you that you should marry so-and-so (who also happens to be your latest crush) and then you think that of course this person is God’s choice for you!
    And @disqus_oMHOgFTIn3:disqus stole the rest of what I was going to say!

  • Yeah (*embarrassed smile*)… I had three friends over and we were talking upstairs, while my sister and her best friend though it would be funny to put a chair in front of the door to the stairs. So my friend shoved the door trying to move the chair, and the hinges ripped right out of the wood :/

  • I dunno know. I’ll think about it more when that time comes. I just think it’ll be extra special if I were to wait for the wedding day, maybe engagement.

  • Ha! That’s funny! But Josh A’s answer is pretty spot on. Different amounts of contact will affect different people, and everyone should draw the line at anything that tempts you to go too far.

    Which kind of leads into a question I had and would like yours (and any other girls’) input. What type of behavior can be seen by you all as being flirtatious? My dad was talking to me about making sure that I don’t come across to other girls in a flirtatious way. What type of behavior would you see as being friendly, and what type would you consider being interested romantically? Because I am hoping to avoid the latter. Anything would help!

    And by the way, how have you been Christy?

  • That would be kinda cool, but I’m not entirely sure how I feel about that. Mixed feelings!

  • Thanks! I’m happy to share my thoughts, but just know that I’m thinking this out as I go.

    I’ll start with touch, since we’re already on that subject. One of the things I think we’ve established is that it affects people differently, but I’ll share how it affects me. Quick hugs or hand shakes or high fives with good guy friends have never bothered me.
    What does get to me is unexpected touching. If a guy gently touches my arm or shoulder to get my attention, it startles me. It’s not that I consider that it had necessarily flirtatious intentions (although it could be used that way), but the unexpectedness doesn’t give my brain time to prepare for the close contact, if that makes sense. So basically, unexpected touching will make me think along romantic, not platonic, lines. But maybe that’s just me.

    Next, I would say that complimenting a girl does not necessarily come off as flirting, unless you’re doing it with that intention. I actually really admire guys who have the bravery to tell a girl who’s a friend that she “looks pretty today” or whatever. As long as you’re not actually giving her extra special attention, it’ll be sweet but not romantic.

    Um…I guess then there are things that people say are signs of flirting, like making a lot of eye contact and going out of their way to have a conversation with you. But I actually do those things just because I’m trying to be nice to people, so it’s confusing for me. If you went out of your way to have a conversation with me, I’d probably be torn between wondering if you like me or if you’re just a friendly guy. I guess what I ultimately decide would depend on if you treated other people the same way.

    Oh, this one’s kind of weird, but be careful about showing off around girls. A guy showing off around me will usually make me think he’s flirting and trying to impress me, unless I know him well enough to know that he’s not. Ugh…this is a tough one, because I’m cool with guys showing what they can do, and I’m interested to get to know them better. But if they look too interested in what I thought of it, then it gets kind of weird.

    Those are my jumbled thoughts! I really hope it made some sense. I’ll comment again if I think of something. And girls, if you think I said something that’s not true for you, please let me know!

  • (1) I’m sorry that was sooo long! And (2) I accidentally hit publish too soon, so I edited it to add more stuff. You may have to refresh the page to see the whole thing. 🙂

  • The way I read defyingdepravity’s mention of “deep conversations” wasn’t that they are deeply personal. More along the lines of deeper theology, belief systems, and so on, still in a “friendship way”. Defyingdepravity, please correct me if I’m wrong!

  • Thanks a ton! This helps a lot. I don’t know if you have brothers, so you may not quite get how the guy brain works, but I’ll tell you that it helps us a lot to be able to pick the brains of girls. I always tried to not get girls’ attention by touching them. In fact, I really don’t touch girls at all besides the common handshake. For dudes, we can’t ever tell what a girl is thinking, and that freaks us out! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter. I’ll have to remember that it’s all about your intentions and attitude. And as for the showing off part, that’s the most difficult for me. I mean, what dude doesn’t want to see how many pull ups he can do when there are girls around? But I’ll need to remember what you said. You seem like a really easy-going person; not one that would be easily offended or put off, so your advice seems sound. 🙂

    My life’s been good! I actually just got back from a super awesome camping trip with my cousins and family. One of the joys of homeschooling: you can take a vacation the week after Spring Break when there’s no one at the camp ground. Have you done anything fun lately? Or, maybe I should say out of the ordinary?

  • Hey, I’m a reader, so I prefer to read as much info as I can get my hands on! I think I got the whole thing. It didn’t sound cut off or anything. Thanks!

  • No problemo Taylor B. I don’t know you, but I’ll ask anyway. How have you been? You can be as general or as specific as you like. 🙂

  • No time to meet new people like the present!

    I’m doing great! I’m training harder than ever before (I am a taekwondo competitor), doing plenty of school, and am keeping busy! Yourself?

    Since your username is Martial Artist, I’m just guessing you also practice martial arts? Which one(s), if you don’t mind telling me?

  • A taekwondo competitor?!? Me too! I’m a black belt in Joon-Rhee Tae-Kwon-Do and have been training for the past five years. I’ve started taking Krav Maga recently, and I’ve also started competing in tae-kwon-do. I’ve also been training for my first real tournament next Saturday! How long have you been competing? How diverse is your skill set?

  • Joon-Rhee Taekwondo? I’ve heard of that school! Where is that?

    I’ve been training for three and a half years. I’ve competed at about fifteen smaller within Texas tournaments, and just finished my first major competition in December at the USA national team qualifier. I was able to earn a spot on the USA Junior Boys Team for this years World Championships in Italy.

    Taekwondo is the only martial art I have practiced, so my skill set is not very diverse. But it’s one of my passions! I love it!

    Good luck in your tournament! Do y’all practice the Choi-han patterns? How do you like Krav Maga? If I had time to take on another martial art right now, that would be the one I would choose, based on what little I know about it.

  • It’s actually a form of tae-kwon-do, not necessarily a school. So you’re based out of Texas? What city? I’m from the Austin area. USA national team qualifier? I don’t quite know what it is, but it sounds like a big deal! Could you tell me about it? I heard about a qualifying tournament taking place in Austin in June. I think it has to do with the Olympic team. Are you a part of that? And what is the name of the circuit that you compete in?

    What’s Choi-han? It sounds familiar, but i don’t really know what it is. And I really enjoy Krav Maga. It is very intense and hard core. Which is what I love in martial arts.

  • Ok, I just did a quick Google search, so I think I understand it a little better now. I must have met a competitor who mentioned it or something, because I know I’ve heard of it before!

    Houston. Austin is an awesome place for taekwondo!

    Pardon me if you already know this, but I’m going to go ahead and say it. Taekwondo is divided into two major parts, WTF (World Taekwondo Federation) and ITF (International Taekwondo Federation). WTF is the Olympic taekwondo federation. ITF is a smaller division, and that’s the one I’m in.

    So, the National Qualifier was hosted in Houston this year. It was a nation-wide tournament to get competitors from all over the US to come to one place to choose who would form the USA team, who are going to Jeselo, Italy, to represent the USA at World Championships (the ITF’s form of the Olympics).

    So the National Qualifier this last December was probably the ITF’s version of the Olympic Qualifier going on this June in Austin.

    Choi-han is the set of patterns ITF practices. Chon-ji, Dan-gun, Hwa-rang- Gae-bek are all examples. Sound familiar? I know different federations practice different patterns, so I was just curious.

    I don’t really compete in a circuit, but ITF is very organized in Texas, so there are plenty of local tournament opportunities. There are about three in Houston every year, one in San Angelo, one in Midlothian, and at least one in Austin that I attend every February at UT.

    I’m very glad you asked how I was doing! Who knew we had this similarity?!

  • Treat boys like your brothers in Christ! Do you hold hands and get mushy with your brother? I don’t. Do you give them occasional hugs (not mushy kinds)? Sure! That is just what I would say about it….

  • I’ve always found it a little strange that so many people (I think girls more so than guys?) believe a friendship between a guy and a girl is absolutely impossible. I have, and have had, quite a lot of great friendships with girls and it’s never been awkward or weird or anything.
    Glad to see I’m not the only one here who thinks it’s possible (;

    As to physical contact, I usually just adapt to whatever the other person expects in this. I’m not a huge fan of physical contact myself, but when someone wants to hug me that’s fine. Looking at Romans 14 -and at practically every other post in this thread- I think respecting other people’s boundaries is the way to go.

  • What do you mean? God’s not going to have a sign over some guy’s head saying “marry me”!

    What if the perfect guy showed up at your church one day. He was everything you ever wanted in a guy, and he was godly, too. But because there wasn’t a divine sign from the sky, you refused him when he asked you to go on a date/court/whatever and he married someone else. In my opinion, that wouldn’t be the Biblical way to go about finding a spouse.

  • Yeah, I’m not saying I go out of my way to talk to girls alone haha (unless texting counts). I appreciate your insight. =)

  • My opinion has probably been stated a few times already, but I suppose I’ll put it out there anyway.
    1 It’s all about your motives. Why do you want to hug and kiss. 2 It’s all about respect. Are you respecting them or taking advantage of them. 3 Here’s something my mom brought up: If you are married and are kissing your spouse the memories of all the other people you’ve kissed are going to come up. Do you really want that. 5 this may be my most important point! It’s YOUR body YOUR rules! Just because culture, media, friends, or even boyfriend/girlfriend may say go ahead doesn’t mean that you should. It’s YOUR body not THEIRS YOU are in control and YOU have the power to say “NO”. 6 Lastly, your body is a gift from GOD, He made you and knows what’s best for you. Always look to Him for guidance!
    Thanks!

  • I mean like hopes, dreams, struggles, strengths ect. I think its good to share with your guy best friend, but only on a friendship level, not a “getting-to-know-your-possible-spouse” level.

  • Okaaaaaaaaaayyy…. should I consider myself lucky, then? 😉
    Haha, that reminds me of a time (a long time ago!) when a friend and I thought it would be fun to make “Charlotte’s Web” out of my closet curtains, by tying all the little strings it was made out of to my bunk bed. I’ll spare you the end of the tragic tale (hint, when my mom found out…).

  • I think somewhere in the NT it says that a brother in Christ is more strongly connected to you than a biological brother.

  • Wow! So did you qualify? I couldn’t tell. It just sounded like you participated in the event. I have heard of the ITF and the WTF, so I understand where you’re at now.

    I have actually never been introduced to anything you said about Choi-han. Are they like katas or forms? I’ve been trying to starting competing in the AOK circuit, and perhaps also the NASKA circuit.

    You’re right! Who knew we were this similar. It just seems that you’re farther along the competition trail than I am. What is your specialty: katas or sparring? Are there any videos online of your doing your stuff?

  • I read some of your explanations below, sorry for my harsh sounding rant below. =) I just can’t stand the “let go and let God” and all that garbage, it’s totally unbiblical.

  • I was able to qualify in sparring and Patterns. It really was a blast; I’m sure you’ll enjoy competing!

    Yeah, they’re the same as katas. I’ll be praying for you in regard to your training and competition. Once you try it, you’re hooked! 🙂

    So, are you training for full-contact?

    Well, while I do enjoy katas, I definitely love sparring! How about you?

    No, not really. There are some on here:

    http://moore-eagletkd.com/Pictures.php I am not proud of them (I am always really critical of my sparring, and rightfully so, cause I don’t feel like it’s that good), but those are the only videos out there that I know of.

    I don’t know if you can open them, my instructor shared them privately. I try not to put videos or anything on YouTube, because I don’t want other competitors to be able to study me before a big tournament (like nationals). Are there any out there I can see of yours?

  • Josh A and Gabrielle, you both are on the right track with friendships and “finding the one”. However, I want to add a word of advice, meeting your future spouse and your courtship is not going to be how you planned it at all. It is absolutely right that you both should have guidelines and standards, but be prepared see God change some of them. Also, when there is a person you like or admire and you want to be friends with them, concentrate on friendship only. Especially at this stage in your lives.

  • Ha, that’s what I was thinking when I asked her to elaborate a little. I actually had the little mental image of a red neon sign aobve his/her head that said “I’m the one”!

    Well, that would make things easier!

  • Jediah, thank you so much for being so truthful and personal. You are absolutely right with all of these. Yes, you made mistakes, but not only will these mistakes teach other people, they will and have taught you.

  • No brothers, but I can assure you it works both ways! I think a few of us asked @trent_blake:disqus a similar question just a few weeks ago. It was nice to figure out what might or might not be considered flirting from a guy’s perspective.
    I’m glad it helps! Maybe I should elaborate on the showing off thing. If there are a bunch of girls around, I’d say it’s less of a big deal to be showing off. But if there’s just one or two girls, then it becomes more personal and flirtatious. Does that make sense?

    Awesome! Yes, that’s the way to do it. 😉 Ok, let me think…well, this is kind of weird since this whole discussion is about physical contact between guys and girls, but the greatest thing in my life lately is that I’ve started swing dancing. It’s clean, and incredibly fun!! Besides that…oh, for Easter we’re doing a skit at my church, and I got to write it. That was a lot of fun! 🙂

  • I totally agree: I’m way too young to think about getting married yet, so friends it is (for know). =)

  • Great post! As a girl I’ve been really blessed reading the posts put out by all you guys. It’s encouraging to know that guys feel the same way we do!

  • I personally think you should set boundaries so you aren’t tempted.
    All my siblings held hands when they were courting, and they had no problems. If for some odd reason you feel like holding hands will lead you to something that goes against God, then don’t hold hands. All my siblings hugged their significant others… no problems or temptations arose. But if that is something that you feel uncomfortable with, then don’t hug. There is nothing wrong with hugging, or holding hands, even SOMETIMES kissing *gasp*. 😉 God commands us NOT to…well the christian friendly version: sleep together before marriage. If there is something in your relationship that you think will make you stumble then draw the line and say, “I can’t do that, it makes me think about our relationship in the wrong way.” If that makes sense? I think it’s all personal preference. A verse I like is Romans 14:13 – “Therefore let us not pass judgement on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.” ….and sister! 🙂

  • Thanks. It really does help a lot. I bet you’ll do great on your skit! I’ve kind of dabbled in acting just for fun, but have never really been a part of a big production. It’s always been more like a family type of acting. You know, acting in family made movies and such. I’ve actually written two short films, and hopefully we’ll be able to make them both this year. Have I told you about our movies? I’ve told several people, and I don’t want to sound like I’m blowing my own horn. So if you’ve already heard about them, then I won’t reiterate. 🙂

  • Cool stuff man. I’ve been training for point sparring (which drives me nuts because I’m used to hitting and being hit much harder). I actually prefer katas and self-defense over point sparring, but I’m pretty good at all of it, not to brag on myself. That’s really smart, not putting stuff online. Why give your opponent an unnecessary edge?

    I don’t have anything online either. Is martial arts your only hobby?

  • Yeah, point sparring is fun, but is much more along the lines of a sport than a fight. Although you can get some good contact in there still. I’ve been knocked out before, so don’t discount the contact, even in point-sparring!

    Let’s see, I love fishing and kayaking. I enjoy reading, discussing things with friends, theology, hiking, camping, and that about sums it up!

    What other hobbies do you have?

  • Thanks! It’s a casual thing, but I do enjoy acting for fun. 🙂 I think you’ve mentioned that you’re interested in film making, but I don’t think you’ve told me about any you’re actually making, so do tell!

  • Reading, school (not a hobby, but a big part of my day), hiking, camping, swimming, canoeing, hanging with friends, and playing music. I play in my kid’s church worship team on the guitar. I love camping and hiking in the woods. I want to go to the mountains one day. What do you read?

  • Looks like similar other hobbies too! 🙂

    Um, a little bit of fiction, a little history, mostly theology. Michael Horton, David Platt, some John Piper, etc.

  • Thanks man 🙂 it’s good to hear an honest answer from someone who’s struggled in this area.

  • Woah, did you like just now change your name? I was seriously about to welcome the new person lol…

  • Yeah good point. That is hard to say though…seems like it would be so hard to wait for the rest of it…haha…

  • Ok…and sorry I have no idea what you’re talking about hahaha. =) (I know about bball and I’ve heard of March madness but that’s it…)

  • In addition to school reading, I read a lot of sci-fi and fiction, not much theology. I read Dekker and Peretti, as well as some Star Wars. I’ve also read a lot of classics, like Homer, Dante, and others. Lord of the Rings and Narnia are some of my favorite reads though. You mentioned camping and hiking as favorite hobbies. What do you like most about them? I’m the outdoor type too.

  • March Madness is a big basketball tournament! Gonzaga is one of my favorite teams! They’re going really far this year!
    #GoGonzaga

  • OK cool! By any chance are the Atlanta Hawks in it? I hear they’re the one sports team from Atlanta actually doing well this year/season/whatever lol.

    And hey do you play basketball? Or just watch it?

  • Outdoors is really where I feel close to God. I feel 10 times closer to God in the woods fishing than I do in a church. Alone in the outdoors (in the woods or on the water) is where I worship best.

    I love the quiet, and honestly, I love that there are no people out there. Sometimes, it’s just awesome to get away from people.

    Whenever I have a problem or am troubled, you’ll find me behind my neighborhood in the woods back there or in a kayak.

    How about you? What is most attractive to you about the outdoors?

  • I’m one of the people who just watch the game. I know the sport really well though. My brothers play the basketball, does that count? I don’t think that the Atlanta Hawks are in it this year. But I don’t know for sure.

  • This was a great answer to the question! Thanks for sharing! I also think that it is up to each couple but that completely avoiding physical contact is not for everyone.

  • Haha ok…yeah I’m kind of that way with soccer, I used to play it, I’ve watched it some, and I really enjoy playing Fifa 14, so I know a lot of the players and the rules and stuff.

    Yeah, I have a friend that plays bball and she’s constantly getting injured and I’ll be like “isn’t basketball a no contact sport?” and she’ll give me a if only you knew, Josh look lol.

    So do you play any othe sports?

  • I have wondered that same thing. I don’t see how I would feel comfortable with things escalating that quickly. Thanks got sharing!

  • Well, I do ballet, if you count that as a sport. I play basketball with my family,and my dad accidentally elbowed me in the nose.

  • Oh, riiiiiight, because you’re such a little angel… 🙂 Your poor mom, I don’t know how she’s survived living under the same roof with you for so long.

  • Wait, you haven’t seen my halo?

    I agree, my mom deserves some sort of award for putting up with me this long. Toss in there three other rascally siblings, and it’s a shocker she hasn’t died of a heart attack yet.

    Like the time TC and I were wrestling, and rolled down an entire flight of stairs, only to roll down and land right in front of my dad as he turned the corner. Not particularly pleased…

    Or the time TC nicked my head with a tomahawk, and mom wanted to know why my head was now bleeding when we went downstairs. For some reason, she didn’t buy my explanation of “nothing”. Not particularly pleased…

    Oh, man, life is awesome!

  • Haha since you’re a girl, that counts. If you were a guy… =P

    Yeah, I don’t play organized sports anymore, just stuff with friends.

    Hey, it’s been good talking to you! Unfortunately I have to study now. 🙁 ttyl!

  • Absolutely! I know that if someone wouldn’t hold my hand or hug me, I would have a hard time dating them, even though I can completely respect why. Personally, I need that physical aspect (even though they seem minor) to feel like I am important and loved by them.

  • I haven’t read near all of the input on here, so I’ll just add my 2 cents. If physical contact of any kind causes you to think wrong thoughts, or desire wrong things, than don’t do them. I agree with Anna that we should set boundaries for ourselves and our relationships. Our primary goal should be to honor God with our relationships. Great question Amanda!

  • Ok, that’s just plain mean. Really, you’re leaving me in suspense forever? Good stuff, bad stuff? Nice stuff, mean stuff? Defyingdepravity, you’re just cruel!

  • This conversation would be so weird if I didn’t know that y’all know each other in real life lol.

    @defyingdepravity if I’ve met Taylor b4 does that make you a friend of a friend of a friend?? =P

  • First of all, If someone was interested in me they’d have to go talk to my father first then I would hang out with him and get to know him. We’d rarely be alone, but rather have people around, just to keep us accountable.

  • Agreed on everything, that’s what I’ll be doing when the time comes. It just seemed like you meant something different. =)

  • Definitely, it won’t be how you planned it at all, or at least it should be. God should be the one directing and guiding. What actually do you mean when you say, “be prepared see God change some of them?” I personally get my standards from God. They are what He lays on my heart to do. My convictions, such as having a chaperone around (sometime of the time) while courting, for accountability purposes. I agree with you about concentrating on the friendship, until God is saying that you should pursue marriage. God’s plan and His timing is the best.

  • Yeah, defyingdepravity and I are good friends because of shared similarities: love for God, similar beliefs, and the same twisted sense of humor. You just saw an example of the latter.

    Maybe a few other similarities out there too, but I named the important ones!

  • I wanted to share something with you. It’s not to sway you to wait to kiss until your wedding day versus engagement, I just wanted to share. My Dad told a story that a long time ago he was engaged to be married to someone. They were both Christians and wanted God’s will. My dad had about 2 dreams indicating that they were not to get married, and the person who was to be his best man (who was not a Christian) also had a dream that they didn’t get married. In short, they were both wanting God’s will, and as a result they were able to hear the Lord and accepted it. The point I was trying to make was, if you become engaged to someone without hearing from the Lord or without His direction, (due to where you are spiritually), would you really want to give away a kiss to someone that you didn’t marry? Sadly, some people who are Christians get engaged and marry people without hearing from the Lord, but I pray that you will be attuned to the Spirit and hear what God’s saying concerning that person who you may be interested in.

  • Ok, great!! It felt like we were debating, but I enjoyed the conversation!! Nice talking to you. See ya around! 🙂

  • Hee-hee, I know I’m cruel, it’s in my genes. 🙂 And honestly, I threw that out there just to get the reaction, I’ll remember what it was later. I remember it was all good stuff, but it’ll come to me. Probably in the middle of the morning service tomorrow. JK

  • Basically it’s a hug where only you arms and shoulders touch, not your chest or torso. If you hug guys at all, you’ve probably done it, just without a name to it. It has the least contact of any hug, besides the side-hug.

  • Hey shelby! Welcome to The Rebelutiion! I love your point about communication being key – so true!

  • Brett… Am I allowed to ask how you and Ana dealt with this question (the DQ question)? I totally understand if you’d rather not get involved in a DQ that much or something, I just thought it’d be cool to hear from someone who’s grown up with the message of purity, and has been through the whole dating-marriage phase where it can be really difficult.

  • Well that’s good. Maybe when I start dating again I’ll try it. 😉 Haha yeah I’m really good friends with a super insecure girl and she feels uncomfortable when guys pop her three foot bubble. But once she gets to know you she’s pretty awesome. And most importantly she has a passion for God…our greatest camaraderie. 🙂 IMO? Forgive me I’m not very tech-savvy.

  • A quiz I have on Monday…I can’t remember who’ve I’ve told about what I’m doing, but I’m doing this thing called dual enrollment, where I’m still in high school but I’m taking classes at a college that count for both college and double highschool credit (#complicated). =) What grade are you in?

  • Cool. I am 13, and am in the 7th grade. I go to a public school most kids would think that it is a private school, but it’s not! My school is getting a new high school. For seniors and juniors, you can take high school classes at the Western Nevada Collage, and it counts for collage credits. So, you would only have to go to collage for 2 years! They also pay for the classes. 🙂

  • Some Christian couples before they start courting, dating, or whatever, sit down and together decide on a list of boundaries they wish to set and help each other maintain. Boundaries that help protect your heart and purity before marriage, based on your own convictions and temptations.

    I think this is an excellent thing to do, because then they can hold each other accountable, and sometimes they will even have chaperons to ensure that they are never alone together for too long, and assist them with accountability. Some decide on no physical contact at all before marriage, while others allow things like side hugs, or holding hands once engaged, while will others are less guarded.

    I think it all depends on your own unique situation, but once you have decided on your boundaries, to veer from them in any way will only damage your relationship, so put a lot of prayer and careful thought into them first.

    The idea is to to save intimacy for marriage, so that it will be special, and so that if the relationship doesn’t lead to marriage after all, there won’t be a lot of regrets and baggage left from it. So, yes, I suppose you will have to personally decide what you consider to be intimate, or what involves you too far emotionally with a guy.

    A lot of physical contact with a guy can cloud your judgment early in a relationship, and make it difficult to form an accurate opinion of his character and the qualities you desire in a husband. (Keep in mind I speak only from observation, since I have never been involved in a relationship with a guy, so I would consider talking to a couple who has experience in this area, and may be able to give you some advice) Anyway, I hope this helps!

  • Cool! I should be a sophomore but I’m a year ahead so I’m a junior #nerd. =P Yeah that sounds a lot like dual enrollment bc all of my classes are paid for, but I had to pay for books/student fees.

  • Okay, yes, random question, I know, but you’ve seen “Princess Bride”, right? Who was the guy’s name who went up to everybody and said, “My name is so-and-so, and you killed my father” (or something along those lines, it’s been a few years since I watched it)?

  • Inigo Montoya! “My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.”
    Sorry, I know you were asking @mimeforjesus:disqus , it’s just I love that movie so much!

  • Hi there, @disqus_yezUL85qzj:disqus! How long have you been here? I don’t recognize your name, which means you were here long before me and you recently came back, or you joined us in the last couple of weeks, when I’ve been busy… which is it?

  • But you answered better!
    For some reason I wanted to say it was Indigo Montana. I haven’t watched that movie in too long!

  • I know, I was surprised nobody had talked about that verse yet! Because it is the one that goes on talking about do not cause your brethren to stumble, and that is basically all that matters. Thank you! 🙂

  • Not yet! I really need to. I have read The Circle Series, Showdown, and Skin. Have you read those?

  • I don’t think that it is either. 🙂 looks lile someone has changed their name wonder who it is….

  • “Stop rhyming, and I meant it!” “Anybody want a peanut?” I love the Princess Bride!!

  • The Circle Series takes place in the same alternate Earth as the Lost Books. Showdown actually connects to them in a really weird way. But let me tell you, even though it is totally awesome, Showdown is weird. A lot of stuff happens in the beginning that is creepy and makes no sense, but once you finish it, it turns out to be not so bizarre. So, just a warning to you. 🙂

  • I like the quiet and tranquility of the woods too. But I’m usually with my family when I’m out there, so quiet is usually non-existent. But I can understand how people could feel closer to God out there. I feel it too sometimes. That’s pretty cool man.

  • Well, my brother films and wants to become a professional filmmaker. However, he stinks at writing stories for the films. He came up with one idea that we filmed with our cousins, and it was basically a monster-in-the-woods type of movie. You know, the cousins all think there’s a monster over the FENCE (the title of the movie), something causes them to need to cross it, and then they come in contact with the monster. It’s some pretty funny stuff. The next movie that we will be making this summer, is one that I wrote. It’s basically a Holmes and Watson type duo trying to figure out the case of the missing flan (a special dessert that’s very popular in my family). So that will be my writing debut. The next movie after that is one that I’m writing with my friend about a group of teenagers tasked with running the church youth group on a Wednesday night. It’s going to be a church comedy/drama, with some pretty crazy characters. We have a rock star kid who wants to lead worship, a crazy cousin from the 1600s who wants to preach (it’s funnier than it sounds too), and then a few normal characters as well. But so far, we’re still writing it, but it will be awesome!

    Wow. That was a lot. Sorry for the book, but as you can tell, I’m super excited about all this. What do you think of it all?

  • “Mawwage. Mawwage is what bwings us togevah today. Mawwage, that bwessed awwangement, that dweam wifin a dream…”

  • It took me forever to understand that Vessini was talking about Plato, not Playdough…

  • Question a) is a good one… I’m pretty protective of my siblings! Okay, my younger sister would say I’m really protective.

  • Yeah, it’s a favorite around my youth group. 🙂 My youth group watched the movie, and we were quoting every line.

  • I disagree. God never said, “Treat your husband like a brother.”
    And what’s wrong with holding hands? Can someone explain this to me? Because I was about 9 when my oldest brother started courting his girlfriend (now wife), and they held hands. nobody bated an eye, it seems natural to me for a courting couple to be allowed to show SOME affection to one another. There is nothing sexual about holding hands. It seems unhealthy for a couple to not be allowed to show affection to one another. I am not talking kissing, or anything. But it is so sweet when a guy shows compassion and love, with a hug, or something.

  • I think she was talking about people you’re NOT dating/courting. I could be wrong though. 🙂 I totally agree with you, though. It’s a natural part of a healthy relationship to show some physical affection (just not too much).

  • Oh, she could be. 🙂
    Exactly. I just think because non-Christians have gone too far in their relationships that as Christians, we think that they have to act nothing like the world and we have gone too far the other way. If that makes sense?? It’s sometimes hard to explain things by typing! lol! 🙂

  • lol it also makes me feel happy to make someone happy! Especially a girl… *looks off into the distance*

  • Well, you’re asking a hard (but good) question. Extremely controversial for some though. I’ll keep this short, and I will only speak for my personal standards.

    As I am currently unattached, I try not touch guys affectionately unless it is hugging. (more about that later) Playful physical contact is completely fine and even fun. But when it gets to look like I am obviously flirting, I cut it short. What I am mostly worried about is his reputation and mine. I do not want to look like a player. -_-

    When I start a relationship with a guy, I will have to judge then and talk to my boyfriend about how much he can handle and still keep his thoughts pure about me. I don’t want him to struggle with lust because of me. There are plenty of girls out there who are doing it already and I am sure that they don’t need my help. 😉

    Oh and about hugging, there are some guys I know who enjoy hugs, and I do hug guys when we see each other. I can’t explain exactly why, but we just do. I guess it just has something to do with being friendly. Some guys I know can’t handle full hugs, so I only give them a side hug. And then there are other guys who are just fine with full hugs and I will give them a full hug gladly and with a big smile.

  • It definitely is bro. Feel the compliment….know the compliment…..LOVE the compliment. LOL

  • Wow thanks for your opinion! I grew up hugging girls but one of my new friends doesnt even like me touching her!(not inappropriately just arm on shoulder hug ) I thought it was because she didnt like Me touching her! I get it now though! Thanks! Plus im the same age/grade as you so thats cool=)

  • Hey shelby can I add to your “pray about it”, “…and Pray together” as well? 🙂 Praying together helps keep the focus on Jesus and I agree “God is the ultimate reason for purity”

  • Hey @ruthie_c:disqus & @disqus_4aLd26vJM2:disqus I agree with your thoughts on the “healthy relationship to show some physical affection” & the “have gone too far the other way.” Some put a lot of emphasis on an external purity of behavior, where our focus should be internal purity of soul; Psalm 51:10 “Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.” God is the one who makes our hearts pure, when we put Jesus first in ALL our relationships, our boundaries will honour Him, because He is at work in us 🙂

  • Hey Moriah,
    Just wanted to ask about what you mean by “…The ultimate goal is purity…”?
    my understanding on the subject of “purity” is that it is not what WE DO that purifies our heart, it is what JESUS has DONE. like from Psalm 51:10 “Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.” God is the one who makes our hearts pure (internal purity of soul) instead of an external purity of behavior. Do you think it may be the ultimate goal is Restored relationship with our Father through Jesus And purity is a result? 🙂

  • I agree that the ultimate goal in LIFE is a restored relationship with Jesus Christ. But, I was talking about the ultimate goal in a guy/girl RELATIONSHIP is purity. (meaning saving our bodies for our future spouse…being a virgin on our wedding night). My point is not to do anything that would tempt us to fall in that area…or tarnish our purity. There have to be guardrails in place ahead of time and we have to know where we stand or else we will be much more likely to fall when trying to resist in the moments of temptation.

  • That’s exactly how I feel! I mean I’d want at least a little bit of practice, you know? Like first kiss at engagement. That way you know what you have to work on. That probably sounds really weird, lol

  • Hey no problem 🙂 Yeah, if a guy tries to like even give me a high five I’m kinda like no…….. It just makes me feel uncomfortable. Not really sure why but it does. (Well the high five thing not the hug thing) Also, awesome that we are the same age! Virtually everyone is older than me on here!

  • I kinda wish more guys would speak there minds on this topic… don’t worry… we don’t bite! As I’m scrolling through the comments… it’s pretty clear the girls have a lot to say! Lol

    Guys and girls who are NOT in a relationship: anything more than a hug or a “holy kiss” is completely awkward! And just to specify what I mean by “holy kiss”… in some cultures, a “kiss” is acceptable or sometimes even expected when greeting someone.

    Guys and girls who ARE in a relationship: until you discuss the bounderies with each other, keep physical contact minimal… (treat him like you would a brother) any “godly advice” from your family, friends, or pastor can be helpful too. The Bible should be your number one guide! It really does have all the answers. When you become infatuated with someone, it can be hard to see that “line you once drew”… which is why it’s a great idea to tell a trusted family member or friend about the bounderies you’ve made. They will help keep you accountable.

    Me personally (a girl): I treat all Christian men like brothers… if I’m in a relationship with a guy, I might get a little “goo goo-eyed” but he is still first and foremost a brother in CHRIST! And we are both witnesses of CHRIST… in all that we do!

  • And yeah there are like no guys 🙂 Well, some but most just reply to comments LOL. Also, great great advice!

  • @al_ive:disqus, I totally agree with your point. My comment was already getting long and I didn’t want to make it any longer. Ultimately if your heart is in the right place, your actions will be too. Luke 6:45 is a great verse, it’s the one that talks about how out of the abundance of your heart, the mouth speaks. And I think it goes for actions too! 🙂 Actions do speak louder than words.

  • Wow, that sounds awesome!! The way you described that last one just made me think of Mom’s Night Out for some reason. 🙂 So are you going to have a way to share your movies or is it going to be like a personal thing for now? And I’m wondering, which part of the film making process appeals to you the most? Is it the writing?

  • Thanks again. Do guys treat you right do you think? I think a lot of guys are jerks towards girls but I want a gev (girls eye view)

  • You know, it does a little bit, now that I think about it! Maybe we’ll throw in a Mom’s Night Out reference. I really, really want to put our stuff out online, but so far, we don’t have anything out. Hopefully, our church movie will be put out on YouTube. For me, I used to like directing movies the most. But lately, I’ve really started enjoying writing stories. I used to hate writing, especially creative writing, because I always felt like the assignments were stupid and childish. It’s not anyone’s fault, that’s just how I felt about it. But lately, I’ve been coming up with all sorts of ideas for books and movies and such, and it’s been a really enjoyable experience writing this church movie with my friend. So, I think the writing does appeal to me the most. 🙂 Do you act? I’ve asked that question to so many people on here that I can’t remember. Everything is just kinda getting jumbled together. 😛

    And I only refer to the church movie as “the church movie” because we don’t have a title. If you can think of one, that would be great!

  • Well, generally I’m pretty easy going on the whole treating me a certain way just because I’m not exactly self-conscious and I’m pretty confident in who I am, so if someone makes a rude comment towards me, it doesn’t bother me that much. However, some comments or even looks from guys make me so so so mad. For all the guys out there: we girls know when you are giving us the side eye, or not looking at our faces but our certain features. And no it’s not a compliment. It makes us feel like an object rather than a person. I’m pretty sure I speak for all girls when I say that. But most of the people I’m around are Christians, obviously not all but most, so I feel like the guys are kind and respectful to me. Generally. Also, I kinda feel like every guy knows this but without fail, someone will make some sort of comment referring to a girls weight. Even though most people won’t say anything like “You’re fat”, etc. just because that’s obviously rude, making comments towards girls who are skinny is offensive too. Like I’m pretty thin, stick like actually, it’s just the way I’m naturally built, (And we are talking really thin here, like I’m 5’5″ and weigh around 97 pounds) and you have NO IDEA how many comments I have gotten that are rude about my weight. The most common one, “Are you like, anorexic?” Literally. Come. Freaking. On. No, I’m not anorexic or bulimic, and I don’t have any sort of eating disorder, I don’t diet, I don’t do anything to stay this way, I’m just thin. Deal. Wow that turned into an incredibly long rant… Hope that helps!

  • Ugh I hate when guys talk about girls. They make them sound like candy not people. Also guys need to tell girls they are pretty more. Thanks for the tips/news. I think you are very pretty and if other guys dont than they are stupid or dull. Or both lol. Wait they are the same thing…..but some girls need to dress more appropriately. Like I dont want to stare but crop tops are just…eww belly button and chest at same time

  • Well…. I said SOME u are a SOME but like 80% peoples commenting on this are girls…

  • Cool 🙂 Well, if you do out anything on YouTube, let me know! I’d love to see it! That’s cool. I can totally understand what you’re saying. I love to write, but writing assignments? Nah. I’m glad you’re enjoying it! I’ve done a few church skits, but that’s it. It’s just that I haven’t had many opportunities. Give me one and I’d be all for it. 🙂 I’m hoping to have more opportunities in college. I think acting is just one of those things that nobody would expect me to want to do. I’m pretty laid-back, and I don’t draw attention to myself. But given the right situation–yeah, I’d love it. So that’s the long answer, lol. 😉
    If I think of something, I’ll let you know. 🙂 But it’s unlikely. For some reason, with my writing process I start with a title and go from there. It always works for me. But if somehow I start a writing project before I think of a title, then I’m doomed. XD
    So you’re writing these movies…are you acting in them too?

  • well.. I’m weird so…. :’D IDK getting used to the high five thing…. And the whole dating in high school thing… I am not fully opposed to it. I think 16 at the youngest. Plus, I don’t plan on going far for college and I would rather get married younger rather than older so…. idk see where life goes I guess!

  • Yeah, (obviously) in our culture a kiss is usually more of a big deal, but in other cultures it’s sort of an expected greeting. Culture has a huge, huge part in where we “draw the line”.

  • Yeah, no offense @gracemuncey:disqus or anyone else, but I’m really surprised that some people would have a problem with high fives or handshakes. I guess that’s a thing though. Personally I don’t hug guys that often, just because I don’t know many guys really well right now. But if a guy hugged me [at an appropriate time, in an appropriate way] I wouldn’t feel scandalized or anything.
    @programguy:disqus Wow, it sounds like that girl was overreacting. From (this) girl’s perspective anyway. A handshake shouldn’t be offensive, in my view. People do it in business settings all the time, and in some situations it’s just appropriate to shake hands. Usually it’s with adults though.
    Anyway, just some thoughts. 🙂

  • 1) The candy… yeah I am not candy.
    2) I agree. Everyone thinks it’s awkward to compliment the opposite gender, but if it happened more it wouldn’t be! And thank you. Honestly not sure if any guy has ever said that to me, with the exception of my dad and stuff. Well, there have been a few but only guys that like LIKED me liked me.
    3) Yeah, I agree. I know it’s not like guys TRY to lust after girls….. so honestly (and all the radical feminists out there will hate me for saying this) if you’re stomach and chest is hanging out, guys will look. Period. Not saying you’re asking to have a guy do anything else towards you, whether it be comments or anything else, but still…… I do own crop tops, I think they are cute, but I ALWAYS wear a tank top underneath!

  • Oh and I agree with you on the high school dating thing. My parents have asked that I not have an official relationship with a guy until (at least) college, which will be when I’m 17. I know couples who dated in high school and have a great marriage now, and I don’t think it’s a “sin”. Just not the best option for me at this point in my life.

  • No offense taken @ruthie_c:disqus! I’m homeschooled… so #homeschooledproblems but idk usually it doesnt bother me but there are guys who will take every chance to get physical contact with a girl.. that’s when it seems awkward or whatever. And handshakes don’t bother me at all. The thing is, there has never been a time where it was appropriate for a guy to hug me, I could see in certain situations boundaries can be broken to a certain extent. If a guy was super depressed, or being bullied, or thinking of cutting, or anything like that, I wouldn’t think twice about giving them a hug. That is absolutely fine for me! Same with if I was in that situation. That usually just doesn’t happen, plus I don’t have any close guy friends at the moment.

  • When I say dating though….. I mean going out on dates NOT having a serious boyfriend/exclusive relationship. I think 18 is a good age for that. It’s just that I think getting married at 20 isn’t a bad thing, or a little bit older, I want to be a mom and meet my grandkids and stuff while I don’t need a wheelchair.

  • I’m homeschooled too :D. so I totally get #homeschooledproblems! Yeah, I hate it when guys are being creepy and trying to get as close as they can to a girl. That’s just not right. I get what you’re saying!

  • First of all, cool! And yeah its weird. That’s what I mean with the high fiving and such. It all depends on the guy. If I had a really close guy friend, I even think hugging might be ok. But I don’t, so for the time being, its not.

  • I feel your pain. No one I know has been rude enough to teasingly suggest anorexia, but still. Most people have the sense not to make fun of someone who is overweight, but does it occur to the people making fun of skinny girls that you’re still making fun of a human being?
    On top of it all, I’m really tall, so it makes my slimness stand out that much more. But I’m happy being tall and I’m happy being slim, because I’m happy being just the way God made me. So whatever, world.
    Thanks for letting me jump in on your rant. 🙂

  • Yes! I’m all for getting married at a young age. My youth pastor says that if more people got married young instead of in their 30’s (not that that’s wrong!), we might see less sexual immorality because they won’t be waiting as long.
    I actually have a friend who just got engaged to my uncle’s brother, and they’re both around 20. We’re all *very* excited since everyone could see it coming for several years. 😉 She’s still finishing college and he just graduated, so they won’t have much money at least for a while. But I’m pretty confident they’ll do fine.

  • It’s a really good idea to have your morals in place like this BEFORE you start high school! I’m really glad you are thinking about this now, because trust me, if you don’t have morals in place before you are tempted, it’s gonna be super hard to fight the temptation. Speaking from experience 🙂 I was so happy to read this comment!

  • Clothes aren’t bad its how you wear them ! Is playing the guitar hard? I have one and am trying to learn how to play!

  • First of all, I don’t know all the details of your story and I could be completely wrong (so if I mess this up majorly please don’t be offended). Have you thought that maybe people ask you if you are anorexic because they want to make sure you’re OK? I know that a lot of people die or get hurt from eating disorders and if somebody thought that you had anorexia, they’d want to help, right? Think about your best friend or a family member you love. If they showed the signs of an eating disorder, would you want to help? I know I would! However, if people are teasing you/making fun of your body type, I agree 100% that that is not okay. Again, maybe this won’t help you at all, but hopefully it does!

  • True. Sometimes I think, “I really want to stay pure and be proud of that” and whatever, but other times I think it’s impossible to show affection and have everybody think you’re being pure. Is your boyfriend your brother? Nope. He’s (hopefully) a future husband for you. Of course you shouldn’t go too far, but holding hands isn’t a big deal, guys. I actually hold a friend or sibling’s hand sometimes. I give them hugs and sit by them on the couch. Just treat your guy like a best friend, because that’s how it’s supposed to be. (please excuse me hopeless ranting :D)

  • What about kissing? Part of me wants to save that for my wedding day – how cool would that be? But at the same time, I feel like I’m kind of missing out on a great moment here. What does a kiss mean for a guy? If that causes him to sin, I won’t do it, but if it’s okay with him, it’s a possibility. Come on males! What does a kiss mean to you?

  • Good to know someone else has the same problem @Kittenese:disqus! I wouldn’t say I’m very tall, but I’m not short either so…. I love this: “But I’m happy being tall and I’m happy being slim, because I’m happy being just the way God made me. So whatever, world.”

  • I get what you are saying about the whole making sure I’m OK, but the thing is a lot of times these people say this when they barely know me! The other funny thing is, I eat like a horse, like literally last week I ate an entire half of a pizza. I think most of the time they are saying it not out of genuine concern but to pretty much make fun of me. Almost as a comparison like “You’re as skinny as someone who starves themselves!” But I definitely get you’re point.

  • I’m still technically learning… But I love it! I have relatively small hands so some of the bar chords are nearly impossible! But picking isn’t as hard as I thought it would be… Once you learn the notes and such. It is definitely easier than piano!

  • That whole staying pure thing is one of the reasons, also just that I want to still be youthful when I have kids. My parents were in their 30s and 40s when I was born, and not that they are old, they aren’t, but I want to be younger. Don’t you love that when you’re like OH I CALL IT THEY ARE GOING TO GET MARRIED and then they do and your like HA knew it yo!

  • Haha! Yep. And yes- not that there’s anything necessarily wrong with getting married later in life, but it would be nice to be younger so I’m able to have a big family (Lord willing, of course).

  • Nice! I have just a normal Breedlove acoustic and would love to buy a PRS electric, but that probably won’t happen 🙁 What brand you got?

  • A better question would be, what does a kiss mean to you? How are you missing out on a great moment here? I know from my married siblings that they wouldn’t choose to move faster if they had the chance to do it over again. They’ve never looked back and said, “Man, I wish I’d held hands with Amanda earlier,” or “You know, it would have been so much better if we’d kissed when Jeff proposed to me.”
    I know that’s not your question, but still… I couldn’t resist weighing in!
    ~Laura

  • Hey, from another person who doesn’t hug/really do any contact with guys… For me, high-fives are okay, but obs not for others.
    I think handshakes can mean different things depending on how you do it… I mean, I have this one guy friend where the way we met was, I walked up to him and introduced myself with a handshake (he was new at my church, so… I don’t usually walk up to random guys) There a handshake is normal, but if we knew each other for a while and then one day you walked up to me and shook my hand, I’d probably wonder what was up. And if I already liked you, I will admit I might go crazy about it.
    Same here about a gf/bf in high school. It seems pointless…

  • well in that case… I think that hugging is ok in a relationship. I also think some kissing could be alright, the reason for this is that in some cultures that is the way they greet one another. in a relationship if you just kiss on the cheek then I believe it is fine. any further then no…

  • Breedlove is like my dream brand… I have a really inexpensive Epiphone one that works but I need to save up more money before I purchase a new one!

  • nice! I have a super-cheap guitar that broke, and i got to fix it and keep it!

  • I agree! But I still don’t want to be like dating for a day and all the sudden BAM you are constantly in an embrace you know?

  • I’m obviously not a guy… but I though I would weigh in! I agree with @mimeforjesus:disqus and @programguy:disqus that I think kissing is unnecessary…. It may be hard to not kiss before your wedding day… But my thought process is that if you are trying not to kiss, you won’t really be trying not to sleep with each other, just because you haven’t kissed yet! If you are already kissing and hugging, especially when you are alone, then it becomes even more difficult to stay pure until your wedding night. I don’t know, just my thoughts.

  • they are good to learn on, but my bridge is to high so the strings are too far off the fretboard and it is incredibly difficult to push the strings down…. but watev

  • well they meet 2nd and 4th saturdays. the 2nd is at the senior center and the 4th is in Grainer (Barnes) and you bring accoustic instruments and play songs from 10:00 to 11:30.

  • @disqus_20sNkO4gPg:disqus SAME!!! I honestly just don’t understand why people think holding hands is such a big deal.I can understand people not wanting to hug, but holding hands?!
    “Treat them like a best friend” is the perfect way to describe it. 🙂

  • Actually, I find it’s pretty natural, as long as both you and the guy respect each other and are sensible about physical touch. (For any guy friend I’d hug, I know we’ve both thought about this kind of stuff, and want to minimise contact, so this comes really easily. On the other hand, if you’re trying to hug a guy who doesn’t care and in fact would like more as much contact as possible, it’s probably going to be awkward.) As I said before, if you’ve hugged any guy outside your family, you’ve probably automatically used this hug. You’re right, though: it does sound kinda technical. 😛

  • Epiphone is a decent start. Breedlove makes good guitars but they’re not cheap! If you want to spend that kind of money you should look at Taylor and Ovation as well.

  • I am not a guy (clearly), but it isn’t just what a kiss means to a guy. A kiss can end up making a girl have feelings that she should restrain from until after the wedding too. There is this idea going around that only guys mess up and do things they shouldn’t before they are married. But girls do it too. And I don’t think you should really kiss until marriage or engagement, just because it keeps it special. And you don’t want to kiss someone and then they break up with you, that would really stink. I think a kiss at the engagement is fine (and really sweet) just as long as the guy and girl don’t start making out. 😉 And it really depends on the heart. And the motive behind the kiss.

  • I like your car analogy 🙂 and good questions to think about. That will help people set boundaries in the right places.

  • Yeah that’s kinda how I am with the hug thing. I hug my female friends already, so it seems natural to me to hug a guy friend. I don’t really see a problem with it unless it is causing lust in one or both of us.

  • #ImAGuy I haven’t ever kissed before (‘Cause I’m only 14. Thank the Lord) But I guess I ought to give advice.

    I’d say a quick hello peck would be fine. Just don’t do all-out making out (hey, that rhymes!)

    Of course it pretty much depends on you. It’s your call, no one can make it for you.

  • Yes, I am acting in them, mainly because I need to justify myself. 😛 In nearly everything that my family and I have done together (i.e. cousins and friends), I’m always the bad guy. In some of the earlier stuff we did, I was always the bad guy cuz I was always the biggest and most intimidating. In the church movie and the flan movie, I’m going to be a lead or supporting character in each, but I am the good guy this time! 🙂 So yeah, I enjoy acting. I did a skit for my church once and it went alright, but something was wrong with my mic and I had a wardrobe malfunction involving a misbehaving beard! That was embarrassing, but it was still fun. The kids loved it, and that’s all that really matters for that stuff right?

    Thanks for the support. It really means a lot. And I will definitely let you know if/when the videos go on YouTube. I have actually heard many people tell us that they have never seen home movies of our caliber before. Mainly because they look professional. Professional acting is another story (try working with elementary and middle school aged relatives and tell me how well they acted). But all in all, it’s pretty dang fun. We’re just trying to make as many movies as we can before we all grow up and can’t do it anymore.

    I don’t know if I’ve asked you this, but what do you want to do with your life? What do you feel that you just have to do?

  • – The person you are attempting to reply to has died from severe laugh-itis. Please try again later.

    Lol XD I’m glad you liked it!

  • Yay! I found a fellow hugger!
    Actually, I think I hug more of my guy friends than girl friends.

  • Haha 🙂 that you did.

    I don’t really have guy friends–maybe one or two. But the ones I do have usually get hugs because I’m just that way. 😛 I even hug like my pastor and youth pastor and stuff lol…guess they’re considered my friends too.

  • Mwahaha! *twirls mustache villainously*

    Is villainously a word? And FYI, I don’t have a mustache to twirl. 😉

    And, so you know, I’m lovin’ your responses just as much. =)

  • *dies*

    Now you’ve got me thinking about Larry the cucumber’s great aunt Ruth…who had a beard…and it felt weird… 😛

    Are you doing DHTU?

  • I don’t know if this discussion is completely closed off now or not, but I’d like to weigh in. I know that all of you share similar views in this and I am very thankful and glad for that.

    First off, I’m a freshman that attends a public high school. Everything is allowed as public displays of affection as long as the clothes stay on (we did have a couple doing things in a family restroom that got them suspended). There’s a game among upperclassmen to steal as many freshman virginities as possible. The middle school dress code so harshly enforced went out the window. There are no real boundaries enforced. It’s a hard place to live out the Christian lifestyle outlined in the Bible. I guess this is also an area where being in the world and not of it comes into play.

    To the actual quesion: I’m not sure that the question, “How far is too far?” is a fair question to ask. No one would ask how close to the interstate roads could they walk without being run over, or how far someone could get to the edge of a cliff without falling off. Instead, shouldn’t we ask, “How far can I run from temptation?” We should run from lustful/sexual temptation, not fight it. Sexual temptation is one of the sins that affect our relationships with people and God the most.

    I believe you should do whatever it takes to protect your purity, since it’s priceless. If that means no physical contact and always being in a lit place with other people- do that. If it means a kiss goodnight and holding hands while your significant other drives the car on the way to a dark movie theater- do that (but be safe since driving one handed and distracted is very dangerous). This is an area in our lives that we don’t really need lots of opinions on or loose interpretations, but rather obedience to God’s Word.

    Again, I am so grateful to be able to be in community with such amazing people who actually care about God, life, and purity. I’m glad we are on this crazy road of following Jesus together as the Bride of Christ!

    God Bless!

    Some resources to check out:
    puretillmarriage.com
    remedylive.com Relationship Status videos
    Gateway Students iTunes Podcasts RelationSlips series and Puzzled
    Pastor Chris Durso did a series entitled BAE.

  • Copycat! Lol 🙂
    Gah, a VeggieTales reference…and I’m coming up empty! What are you talking about??
    No, I’m not, but I’m hoping to join when it becomes an option. Are you?

  • Yeah after reading these comments, and even before, I’ve made the decision to save kissing for marriage. I even a promise ring my dad gave me 🙂 and thanks for the advice

  • My pastor is big on hugs. Our church is fun that way. 😉 I love our church. Big on hugs, super friendly, Texan in every aspect. Oh, and family-integrated and mainly homeschooled.
    @Amanda, what is your church like?

  • Very good point! While asking “How far is too far?” may sound like a worthwhile question (and I guess we should think a bit about that), it can actually be a way of justifying whatever we want, since there aren’t really any “rules” about this. As Paul says, “All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient.” It’s so tempting to think that since our relationship with God is not about rules, we can do whatever we want to–but if we are really trying to come closer to God, we shouldn’t just think about whether something is “lawful” but whether it actually helps us maintain our purity. It’s so easy for us to deceive ourselves by twisting the liberty we have in Christ, and forgetting that this liberty is not a license for impurity. Let’s pray that God opens our eyes to our real motives.

  • Yeah I am 🙂 it’s been awesome!!

    I think he mentions his aunt Ruth in a couple different silly songs, but one of them is the one about lips. Here’s the link http://youtu.be/6ZLbzERPUAA

    Sorry I just had to copy you there 🙂

  • Well, we have about 1,000 people now, but only a few homeschool families (I’m homeschooled too though). Our default settings are prayer and discipleship. Our vision statement is “transformed followers of Jesus, passionately responding to God, rooted in prayer and equipping disciples.” Everything we do is based on that vision. We’re nondenominational. We just use the Bible as our guide and try to imitate the New Testament church. Our pastor is a crazy southerner who is very energetic and super excited and totally radical for Christ. Pretty much everything I just said is a new development because most of our staff is new. It’s been awesome. 🙂 The church is really coming together around this vision and making it happen!

  • I’m trying to say something witty about how not every Aunt Ruth has a beard… I’m not coming up with anything…

  • Yeah… it’s complicated… The long explanation is that my mom’s sister’s husband’s younger brother is getting married to one of my friends. Make sense? 😛

  • I agree about being “brothers in Christ”. I have many friends through 4H of both genders. (btw if any of this sounds wrong tell me) I’ll hug them- both boys and girls- but they have to be like family to me (boys really have to be like family). I’ll tell them I love them because I do, but I try to make sure they know it’s brotherly love. As far as being in a relationship though, (which I am not experienced in) I think it depends on how deep and how serious this relationship is. I think first of all you have to love them as a friend before anything else (so by my standards you are probably already hugging) but keep it at that until at least a year of a relationship. Maybe at about 6 months it wouldn’t be too crazy for boys to give a peck on the cheek, but as I said, it depends on how deep and serious it is.

  • Well, I’m not an aunt *yet*, but when I am I don’t plan on having noticeable facial hair. lol

  • I won’t be an aunt for long time. I’m a freshman in high school and I’m the oldest of my siblings.

  • Ugh, that moment of searching…searching…nah, I don’t have anything witty to say. And it’s a hundred times worse when you’re actually talking face to face with people. 😛

  • Alright, well, I see not many other guys have answered your question, so here goes. For me, a kiss would be too far (probably). At this point in my life, I intend to save it until marriage. But it all depends on the guy, I think. I can answer you for me personally, but I’m sure there are guys out there who are very different from me!

  • I saw a quote once that reminds me of this post. This is paraphrased, but basically it said, “Just because you have the ability to do something stupid doesn’t mean you should.” I thought was relevant to this post. We have the ability to do so much, but we sometimes have to use self-control and good judgement.

  • Agreed. I think side hugs and hand-holding is fine, but personally, I’d want to save full-on hugs for a while until we really get to know each other.

  • Lol 🙂 I’m glad you finally get to play the good guy! Yeah, messing up in church is totally okay. We do a weekly puppet skit at our church for the kids, and we frequently mess up and/or have laugh attacks–but it just makes it that much funnier!
    Absolutely! That’s awesome that you’re getting such good feedback! And, lol, I understand. 🙂 When we do skits at our church, the younger kids are always begging to have a part. When we give them one, they almost always end up mumbling everything and staring at their feet. It’s weird but understandable. 🙂 I’m glad it’s fun! And who knows, maybe when you grow up you can do it for real!
    Wow…you ask some deep questions! Well, one thing is that I know that I need to have a book published, someday. I have a rough draft for a novel written, but I’ve been sidestepping the editing process for a couple of years. 😛 it’s pretty intimidating.
    My dream would be to become a recording artist someday. And the reasons behind that are kind of difficult to explain, but I can tell you that it’s not because I want to be famous (well, I mean, everyone wants to be famous, but you see my point.) But the chances of succeeding in that area are so slim that I’ve decided that unless God gives me the opportunity to head in that direction, and makes it clear that He’s at work…well, otherwise, I won’t pursue it. And something like that’s happened before, so I strongly believe that He will guide me–I’m just not sure where. And, as much as I trust Him, that’s still scary.
    Other than that, I don’t really know what I want to do with my life. 🙂 You know, all my passions are in the creative field–specifically, that scary area where you either make it or die of starvation. XD I’ve been trying to look for something practical to study in college that I’d love to do, but I’m coming up dry. So far, journalism and mass media are on my list, but (although they’re related to writing) I just don’t really have a passion for those things, you know?
    Well, that was quite long, so I’ll stop for now. 🙂

  • I don’t mind long comments; it just gives me more to read! That’s cool that you want to publish a book! What’s it about? Fiction? Some kind of Christian living book? I don’t know if I’ll ever write screenplays for real movies, but boy, I sure think about it a lot. But I don’t think I would love it as much as I would love a career in science. I’m reading about chemistry and physics stuff that most teens have probably never heard of. I just can’t understand most of it because I don’t have college level calculus in my brain! 🙂 Well, I hope God shows you where he wants you to go. God seems to have given me a pretty clear vision for my life out to the near future (i.e. graduate, go to college and major in chemical engineering, etc). But after that, I’ve got no idea. I’ve always been a bit of a planner, so i have the near future pretty solid. But nothing after that.

    I understand. You have to do what you’re passionate about. I heard it in a movie somewhere, but what’s the point of making a career out of something if you don’t love doing it?

    Okay, I have to ask this question because I just saw it, but have you seen Big Hero 6?

  • Yup. 🙂 At least online, no one knows we sat in front of a blank screen for ten minutes trying to come up with something decently funny to say.
    Oops!

  • Just wanted to make sure it is clear to you what I believe…Jesus is the one who makes us pure. We can’t DO anything to work to achieve purity (He does that by creating a clean heart–Psalm 51:10), but we can take steps towards protecting it. It is our job to keep a watch over our heart, thoughts, or what we do or say. It must bring glory to the Lord.Pro 4:23Watch over your heart with all diligence,
    For from it flow the springs of life.We have to present our bodies as a living sacrifice before God. (Romans 12:1)

  • Cool 🙂 It’s fiction (although I have considered writing devotionals or something similar). I would love to write Christian fiction, but I’m awful at it. XD I don’t want to give away the plot, but it’s a fantasy set in medieval times. I guess the moral of the story is basically discovering who you are and being that person, despite what other people may say about you. Which may sound kind of cheesy, but I guess that just ended up being the underlying message. 🙂
    Who knows! Maybe we’ll both realize our dreams. 🙂 random…have you ever heard of NaNoWriMo?
    That’s awesome! See, I totally envy people like you. You have a passion for something that’s basically guaranteed to pay off in the future. I’m very good with academics, I’m just not interested, you know? I mean, I like to learn, but…nothing I’m learning right now do I someday want to incorporate into my career. Does that make sense?
    Haha, that’s pretty much my motto! I have no idea where I heard it either…
    Nooo, I havent! I really want to, though; is it good?

  • Gotcha… Yeah I make it a point to never comment about girls weight… It’s bad all around 🙂 and I kinda get it cuz I weigh less than just about all guys I know and a lot of girls I hang around… So I get weight jokes to. Also, if I think i might maybe want to get a certain girl to hang out with me, how should I go about doing that? I’m 20 and she’s about the same age, a little younger. So (blush blush) any advice from ya’ll ladies?

  • I think not awkard hugs are fine. The slow creepy lame movie type hugs are really not my favorite :). And if your dating hiding hands arm over shoulder stuff I think is cool but in don’t really know. O and please don’t hold my hand for a random joke of if you want my attention… That’s just awkard 🙂

  • Hey Brett, on the latest DQ, “Why does God let bad things happen to good people?”, I am having trouble getting the link to work. When I click on the article, it brings me to this:

    Also, in the yellow box, I pointed out that it said “2011” in the URL. I believe that would be the date, but since this is 2015, it may have been a mistake. So, is it possible you or someone else fixed the URL, but not the rest of the links to the article (Home Page, Archives, Blog, Discussion – I tried pretty much everything)

    Any thoughts?

  • I think it really is a mixture of personal conviction, and actual science. When people kiss, it forms a chemical bond between them. When they break up, that bond is broken, aka heartbreak. I’ve never really read anything saying that if you hug someone you are chemically bonded to them, but it does create a mental bond. So be careful; think of everything you give to your girlfriend/boyfriend as something you can never give to your future spouse. Does that change how much physical contact you would have with your girlfriend/boyfriend?

  • Yes, exactly. I guess also that it’s largely about not sinning against our conscience, because that in itself can bring up a barrier between us and God. (And of course we need to be careful that if we feel “at peace” about something, it is genuine, rather than a way of justifying to ourselves what we know will mar our purity.)

  • I’m not doubting your desire and commitment to
    Jesus (hope you didn’t think that)

    just wanted to show that giving our bodies as a
    living sacrifice is not singly focused on one aspect, but a whole realm of
    things that fit together

    1Ti 4:12 … in word, …in conversation,…. in charity, …in spirit,
    …in faith,… in purity.

    & I think the order written is important

    in Word first…

    What we say leads to our conversation…. leads
    to what we do…. leads to how that affects (or is demonstrated) in our
    character…. shows who we trust and is manifested in our action.

    Even what we eat fits into this keeping our
    bodies “pure”

    ( which is probably nearly impossible with the
    stuff they call food today ;P )
    “Not that which
    goes into the mouth defiles a man; but that which comes out of the mouth, this
    defiles a man.”
    Matthew 15:11 (& repeated
    in Mark 7:15)

    Yes Purity is important but for me it is
    a result (fruit) not a goal

    Great discussing with you , Let no man
    despise thy youth- we are an example as we keep Jesus as our
    focus

  • If my lips ever left my mouth, packed a bag and headed south, that’d be too bad, I might get mad, I’d call my dad, that’d be to bad…on the day I lost my tooth, I had to kiss my great aunt Ruth, she had a beard, and it felt weird…it’s a lip, it’s a lip, it’s a lip, lip, lip………lol that is going to be stuck in my head forever now

  • I got my lips stuck in a gate and…the fire department came and broke the lock with a crowbar and then I had to spend the next six weeks in lip rehab with this guy named Oscar and we couldn’t even talk to each other for the first week because our lips were so swollen cause he got stung by a bee RIGHT ON THE LIP and etcetera etcetera hahahaha yeahhhhh me too haha. =P

  • It does get frustrating when you have a certain opinion about something and nobody seems to agree with you. I get that. 🙂

    Doesn’t it seem like most people on here agree though? Looks like the general consensus is that it’s a matter of personal conviction but that kissing probably isn’t a great idea before marriage or at least engagement.

    I’m glad it got published too–and I’m glad it’s helping you. 🙂

  • Yeah 🙂 my cousins are mostly older than me though…I just see cute kids at church 🙂

  • Yeah I know what you mean. Now that disney owns it there’s going to be a problem. The older ones are good though 🙂

  • Yes. 🙁 I’ve seen a couple minutes of the Disney-owned version. Really sad. And bad. 😛 Especially considering what it used to be.

  • I’ve already said something about this but I came up with something new. If you read my last post, you saw how I hug friends of both genders if I feel they are family to me (boys must really be like family). And also what @disqus_aeGm5xMIfo:disqus said about us being “brothers in Christ”. Well, they are your girlfriend and your boyfriend. You’re brothers and sisters in Christ first, friends second, and then in a relationship.

  • I KNOW!! To say the new ones are terrible is an understatement. Did you see “The Princess and The Popstar”? Not only does it completely misquote the Bible, its focus and content are just wrong. Especially for kids! I could rant about this for at least 5 solid minutes…
    *shudders*

  • Carson just asked the same question so I’ll copy over what I said to him! (It’s so cute you guys keep asking how to impress a girl… LOL honestly if you care that much she should like LOVE u)

    well….. every girl is different and honestly there isn’t really anything you can do to make her fall in love with you… there’s some things that could help but nothing is definite… it just kind of… happens. HOWEVER, I do have a few things to suggest that may or may not have made me perhaps like some certain people… a lot. 😀 (She better be a Christian bro, she better be Christian) This is kind of a mixed list of things that show that you are an awesome person, and thing that I find attractive in guys.

    1) BE RESPECTFUL! I cannot stress this enough. Be kind, treat her like she is the most important person in the world, never say anything mean or rude, be there for her. Like, you can ignore all the rest of these (or not) and just do this one. Seriously. IMPORTANCE!

    2) Honestly, the single I guess hottest thing that guys do ever in life like just stop you’ll make me fall for you (Ahem I can’t believe I’m even doing this comment yo) : Being. Good. With. Kids. Come on may all the girls say AMEN. Pure amazingness. I mean, you can’t really fake it, but when a guy is like playing with kids and entertaining them and giving piggy back rides and show them games etc. just wow. I guess it’s our motherly instincts kicking in and saying you would be a good dad but YAS.

    3) Don’t talk bad about people. Ever. It makes you look bad, and then we wonder if you ever talk bad about us.

    4) Don’t be afraid to compliment her! Obviously don’t be weird or rude about it, but complimenting her, especially on something besides her looks (brains, creativeness, etc.), just makes us feel special. Complimenting on looks too is nice, obviously, but I personally like it when people GENUINELY (never make it fake, always make it true) compliment me saying that I’m funny or smart or stuff like that.

    5) Eye contact. It is actually scientifically proven that I believe 20 seconds of unbroken eye contact can make people fall in love. Now 20 seconds is pretty long and awkward, but still making eye contact is good.

    6) http://www.buzzfeed.com/julieg… Some of these are unnecessary, some are weird, but also some are definitely true. Just check it out and see what you feel comfortable with.

    7) Ok I don’t mean to be rude here, or offensive but i feel like it kind of needs to be said. I know puberty is awkward for guys too, but….. OK here goes: you know when you are just beginning to grow facial hair and you have like a super thin little mustache? Shave. Do it. Honestly, not attractive. It will take you less than a minute and then you look nice. Shaving really isn’t hard. I mean we girls shave our legs, armpits, sometimes faces (yes we get little mustaches too!) and more, it takes time and effort but we still do it. And most of us (well the girls I know) start shaving from before the time we are 12. It’s annoying, but it’s part of life. This is kind of an odd one out, but yeah it just needed to be said.

    Anyways, that’s only a few and I’m sure other girls have more ideas, but that’s what I could think of for right now.

  • Yeah it’s happened a couple times… Really kinda makes the whole situation odd…

  • Oh.my.g.o.s.h. Thank you grace! I love you!!!!!! I am so using some of those. Though when around some people I start staring at my shoes and saying weird stuff I will try eye contact! Whoever”certain people” is they are the one of the luckist men ali=e to have you! Btw its nice to know girls dig guys who like kids…(I adore those boogers)

  • LOL you are welcome…. And also thank you! I’m actually considering making a blog called Girls Eye View where guys can comment on certain topics and me and some other girls that are sort of Disqus friends can answer their questions! Not sure my parents will ever approve of that… but I will try!

  • Also what about your faith? You havnt talked about that much. (No offense just curious)

  • Honestly end of school year craziness pretty much takes up my schedule.. and then I try to reply to all these comments… I’m so popular *cracking up* BUT if I had more time, I love photography (taking and editing pictures) pretty much anything to do with beauty (hair makeup nails etc.) shopping (I don’t exactly buy a ton of stuff but I do like keeping up with trends so yeah) and um… I don’t know I’ve been so busy for the past 6 months with moving and school and winter and school and school and school and guess what? SCHOOL that my hobbies have kind of wandered away into who knows where. 🙁 But yeah I’m kind of boring as far as hobbies go so…

  • I am Christian! Yes I read my Bible, go to church, live by the Bible, my beliefs are based off of it… full on Christian….

  • Lol. Its ok. I have 2 friends and one doesnt really like me but ive become fond of her so…Really im pretty much done with school. I guess my program is easier. Lol im almost 14 and my favorite hobbies are building/playing with legos reading and video games so I think im the boring one.

  • Honestly I have only watched one… the 2012 Amazing Spiderman one…. (I have also never seen Star Wars IKR)

  • The amazing spiderman is cool. Never…seen…starwars…..!=0 Lol im not a huge fan but there ok.

  • Hmm…I don’t think I’ve ever had to give any serious thought to this…not that it isn’t an important subject, but my family moves around so much we’re hardly in one place for more than a few days, so I haven’t had to face the guy/girl relationship issues. In the beginning though, my parents laid down the rules for us on this subject. Any of you out there watch the Duggars? Our beliefs on courtship are basically the same as theirs, though maybe not quite as extreme. I mean, if someone’s praying and everyone is holding hands and you happen to find yourself standing next to someone of the opposite gender, it isn’t wrong to hold their hand during a prayer. I mean, your mind should be on God when you’re praying anyway, so if you’re thinking about anything else, your mind’s in the wrong place. And I don’t believe hugging is inappropriate either, depending on the situation. In some cases it would be considered rude if you hugged everyone in the room except for one person because it was a guy or girl who you weren’t related to. =) Plus, sometimes hugs can’t be avoided in my line of work…Anyway, that was probably a reiteration of a lot of what has already been said, but really, can you blame me for not reading all of 413 comments? =p

  • I love the Duggars! Did you watch the episode of Jessa’s wedding yet?
    Haven’t seen you here in a while, good to have you back! 🙂 And good answer.

  • Hey, thanks. =) It’s good to be back. We’ve been travelling a lot and practicing for a new CD project. We hit the studio tomorrow. As a matter of fact, I did see that episode. It came on right before this really cool special about this family of thirteen who live on a bus and sing! Oh, wait, that’s my family…lol. =p

  • I agree that the brothers-in-Christ mentality is very helpful. That said, though, there are some things I’d do with my biological brother that I wouldn’t do with my guy friends. I lean against my real brother, stand close to him when I’m cold, poke him when he’s being silly, etc. I wouldn’t do any of those things with a guy friend.

  • You brought up some very good points. Let me clarify a couple things. First of all, I was talking before marrige not after. They are your brothers in Christ. It is sweet when a guy shows compassion and love, that was the reason I used the “brothers” illustration. You obviously love your brothers and they love you back but you need to keep your purity safe and secure. Thank you!

  • I never said anything about not keeping my “purity safe and secure” when I was 13 I asked my parents for a purity ring, and it isn’t something I take lightly. I am never going to give up my purity before marriage. And I don’t think holding hands with my future boyfriend is going to make me a non-pure bride someday. We both clearly have different ideas of where the boundaries lie between a boyfriend and girlfriend, and I respect you in however you decide to court a guy someday. 🙂 But most of all, we just need to make sure our hearts in the right place before dating any guys. I like the quote “A girl should be so lost in God, that the guy needs God’s help to find her.” and vice versa! 🙂

  • You have 13 upvotes… WOW!
    Hmmm, I guess she disappeared and I’m trying to fill her shoes… Am I succeeding?

  • Hmm, I don’t remember that.
    There is a lot of room for misunderstanding what someone means, when you’re not related. That’s really the problem here… if we could all be great friends and not worry about it getting romantic, it would be awesome, but we’re not wired that way, ya know?
    Everyone’s going to have their own opinion on this subject, it seems…

  • I think that there may not be set boundaries that every single person must follow. But, it is important on on the spiritual, and emotional part of a relationship, and not the physical part until after marriage. If you’re just friends with a guy, I don’t see an issue with hugging, if that’s all it is. But if that is causing lustful thoughts, or focus on a physical relationship, then you need to set your boundaries. If you’re in a relationship, I think you should have some contact, but not so much that you’re tempted to go too far, wherever that line lies for you. Some people won’t kiss before marriage, some people will. Some people won’t hug, some will. I don’t think there is really any set black and white rule, but you have to decide for yourself. (It is clear in the Bible that sex is only for marriage though. So there is a line there I guess.)

  • @Cassie I agree and that is why I say as a general rule. Also I come from a family who is not super affectionate to one another, so I guess that makes a difference too. 😉

  • IMO is “In My Opinion”. I didn’t know it myself until I saw it a couple of days before I said it 🙂
    Passion for God is great to see in a friend! I really look forward to meeting people like that when I move 🙂 I kinda already have my “group of friends” where I live, so it’s harder to meet new friends, so that’s one good part of me moving 🙂

  • Oh!!! Yes, I agree! Rather encouraging. Yeah, there’s good and bad people in most towns. 😉 Haha I really hope we have an opportunity to meet when you move!

  • I’m thriving off of the VeggieTales references! My fav VeggieTales song for years was “God is Bigger than the Boogyman!”

  • YES!!! I haven’t seen Princess and the Popstar yet, but I know that the newer ones have gotten really mainstream (ok that just made me feel like a hipster=P). But anyway the League of Incredible Vegetables was almost shallow. Like “I don’t have to be afraid! I have God!” and I’m just like “wait, that’s it?! Nothing deeper? You’re not even mentioning that Junior could have avoided his suit shorting out had he only been patient and/or listened to the instructions?!” shameful=P and has anyone seen new netflix series “veggietales in the house”? I saw part of the first episode and I almost cried! DO NOT BE FOOLED!!! IT’S NOT VEGGIETALES!!!! The only newer one I really like is Celery Night Fever (I liked the 70’s throwback) Ok I think I’m done ranting for now:)

  • I also find it hilarious how this post is supposed to be about physical boundaries and now we’ve moved on to VeggieTales! Maybe I should actually comment about the post…

  • I’m saving my first kiss until my wedding day (just a side note, I’m so encouraged and my faith in humanity has been
    restored seeing other young men my age who are saving their first kiss:), but I’ve struggled as to whether or not I should hug boys. I really don’t have much of a choice about hugging because technically I’m “not allowed to hugs boys” but sometimes I feel like it would be awkward and rude to just straight up refuse a hug. For example, I was leaving church last Sunday and was saying goodbye to some of my friends, and the boyfriend of one of my friends just came up and hugged me quickly before I had to leave. It wasn’t anything more than a nice gesture, and I didn’t really have time to react. I feel almost like I broke the rule, but he hugged me, not vice versa. So what am I supposed to do? Jump out of the way and just really awkwardly say “yeah… not allowed to hug guys sorry”. I think that there is a huge difference between the greeting/farewell quick hug and the oh-my-gosh-this-feels-amazing-just-to-be-held-by-a-guy-let-me-mold-my-body-to-his-and-just-stay-here-forever hug. On my rowing team part of the PDA rule is that we can’t hug kids of the opposite gender, only side hugs, but my dad doesn’t even want me doing that! It’s just hard for me because I’m naturally a very huggy person. I’ve always hugged my friends, but being on my rowing team is really the first time I’ve had a lot of guy friends.

  • i TOTALLY get what you mean.I like hugging people (its also kind of a culture thing i guess) and I’ve struggled with hugging guys especially when I know they like me. My dad says I shouldn’t hug them at all. But I think I’ll hurt the guys feeling if i straight up refuse to hug him yet I’ve learned hugging some guys have gotten girls to be suspisious of me trying to steal their guys.

  • I have seen parts of Veggie Tales in the House. It’s shameful. Just shameful. I can’t believe people are actually into this stuff.
    Even the new Silly Songs are terrible! D:

  • Thank you very much sir for your thoughts. They were really helpful to me and I’m sure many others. God bless!

  • Well, if she was new… From the times I was new myself, I can tell you that if you just walk up to someone new and talk to them, you automatically become one of the best people in the room. Guy or girl, it doesn’t matter; the fact that you cared enough about the “new kid” that you made them feel welcome will make you look pretty awesome 🙂
    Seriously, I would say it wasn’t your fault, nor was it the handshake. It was that somebody said “hi” when she was new, and then that somebody was a guy!

  • I didn’t know if you really wanted to get an answer on your struggle of whether to hug boys or not but I have a little something to put and I hope it helps you a little bit. In my opinion hugging a boy isn’t bad. I don’t ever hug boys because I’m so much shorter. Haha. If you don’t feel comfortable hugging boys you can just say, “I’m sorry I would just prefer to shake hands (next time).”

    “Next time” in case they already hugged you like that boy at your church. I think anyone on your rowing team or just some other boy would take it fine.

    Hope it helps and God Bless,
    Clare

  • Thanks you so much for your insight! yes, I’ll certainly keep that in mind as an option:)

  • Thanks for your input! And I agree wholeheartedly (with what you said about how it’s wrong to twist the liberty we have in Christ) but I think we also need to be careful not to be legalistic, not to say that you were suggesting legalism by any means.
    Its not necessarily about drawing a line and asking ourselves constantly “How far is too far?”
    We should walk a path of purity and not worry so much on drawing a line and getting caught up in legalism. Asking ourselves “Would He be proud of me now? Am I glorifying and pleasing Him?”

  • Thanks, Kate. I totally agree. Legalism is such a sad thing since it misrepresents the character of God and portrays purity as something negative (“don’t do this, don’t do that”). This might be why some teens in Christian families reject the idea of purity because they think of it as deprivation rather than freedom.

  • It would be great if we ended up meeting! Now we’re waiting for my dad’s (really slow) employers to decide if they need him in the KS/MO area, or if we can move to the Iowa area, which would be closer to a lot of family. I kinda hope that we have to move to KS/MO, because you’re over there, Ethan H is over near there, and somebody else who I can’t remember at the moment is also nearby.

  • Hey! I’m kinda in the same situation because I’m a huggy person (every single time I meet a friend I hug them, same with goodbyes) but I’ve decided not to hug guys. Now I’m part of a group that’s half girls, half guys, so it’s been a little… interesting. I actually had to deal with this for the first time this past week, and while it was awkward, I think he understood that it wasn’t anything about him, I just didn’t want to hug a guy.
    I don’t really have anything more to say…. If you have questions, I’d be happy to answer to the best of my ability 🙂

  • Yeah it would be! Haha gott love the (really slow) employers these days! They don’t make em’ like they used to!! 😉 Haha Yeah Ethan Hutchison and I are within 2 hrs of each if memory serves me. 🙂 Which is pretty cool.

  • Thanks!:) Yeah I’m sure a huge part of it is my anxiety because I don’t want to be known as “the girl who can’t come into contact with a member of the opposite gender”; even though that’s very unlikely just because my friends aren’t like that. But I still just really struggle with what others think of me. Well, that’s only half true. I don’t care about everything that people think of me (wow, that sentence had lovely grammar…) Like I don’t care so much about what someone thinks of my music tastes or a conviction that I already have (like saving my first kiss or not dating), but I sometimes feel like if I try to start something new and do something really different by not hugging boys, it would be embarrassing and awkward. I think it’s difficult since our culture understands (to a certain extent) that a kiss is usually in the context of a romantic relationship, so it would make more sense not to kiss. However, hugs are usually associated with friendship, plain and simple. So I feel like if it’s understood that hugs are okay with friends, then why would someone assume not to hug me? Ugh, I’m a non-confrontational person and I hate hurting people’s feelings so much! One of my biggest fears is always hurting someone and having them just be upset with me, and yes I know I can’t please everyone all the time, I still don’t want to make people no-kidding-around ticked at me:( I hope all of that makes sense(I’m a little tired so I didn’t pay a lot of attention to grammar, sorry=P) Happy Easter!!! Thanks again:)

  • I don’t know if you want my help in this subject, so if you don’t, just ignore me, but I am pretty much in the same situation you are. A few weeks ago at youth group, one of my friends (who was a female) brought a guest (who was also a female) and a whole group of us (males and females included in the group) just started chatting about no particular topic. However, I was starting to get the impression that she was possibly flirting with me (i.e. complimenting me, laughing at everything I said, even though it wasn’t funny, stuff like that). Then at the end of service, she hugged me. That had never happened to me before, and I almost felt violated. My parents talked to me about it afterwards since it had never happened before. They told me to stick with side hugs at most, but hand shakes and knuckle bumps were recommended with the opposite gender. You say that hugs are associated with friendship, which is totally true. But if you don’t want a guy to hug you at all, just kinda stick your hand out for a handshake, or turn your shoulder into him for a side hug. Most guys would get your message and respect that, but if they don’t, then you may have a problem.

    Anyway, it hasn’t happened again, but I’ll remember to do that the next time (or if I ever) I see her again.

  • I can see how you would think that. 🙂 Hasn’t happened to me yet, but…I just hope it’s not too difficult. But anyway, we’ll all look back on our teenage years and be glad that we were conservative right? 😛

  • Bummer! How did I miss out on this conversation! The movie’s a family favorite, and I could probably quote the whole thing by memory! (okay, I’m exaggerating, but I still might be able to) 🙂

  • Yeah, it’s awkward, but you’re right, it’s a good way to avoid a hug without being rude. Thankfully no one I’m not comfortable with has tried to hug me (though the personal space invaders are everywhere!). I’m pretty much okay with conservative hugs, but I’ve learned to just let other people initiate if it seems right. Less awkwardness that way. 😛

  • I think that boundaries for physical contact will be slightly different for each person. I think that physical contact is really an issue of the heart. Some people have decided to only side-hug people of the opposite gender because more contact than that causes them to stumble. For me, I only side hug guys because I want to protect myself from allowing guys to go too far. I build those barriers to protect my body, heart, mind and the guys heart, body, and mind too. Weather I am dating him or if we are just friends I keep that barrier for protection. I feel like that is a boundary that God has placed on my heart. It is important to ask God to reveal to you places where you stumble so that you can create boundaries to help you stumble less. Also, knowing where the guys or girls stumble is important too so that you can create boundaries to protect that person as well. So, things like holding hands, how close you sit next to the other person, piggy back rides, hugs, ect. should all depend on where you and where the person(s) involved struggle and the boundaries that God has placed on your heart.

  • Refusing hugs can be very awkward. I have refused hugs on numerous occasions and people haven’t always been nice about it. “Why don’t you just give him a hug, Olivia? It’s not a big deal.” is what one of my friends has said but it is a big deal to me. I think that it is important when you have guy friends to setup boundary lines. It can be totally awkward at first letting your guy friend know that you just want to side hug or not to hug, but trust me, it’s worth it. When a guy comes up to me with his out wide to give me a hug I just politely say, “Side hug?” with a smile to let them know that I’m not trying to be mean or rude. If anybody asks why I do that I let them know that it is a boundary that I set up for myself. People are generally understanding and respectful about it. For you I guess you could politely say, “No thank you.” And explain your reasons why so that their feelings aren’t hurt. If you have the opportunity maybe you could let your guy friends know your boundaries before they try to hug you. For me, I limit physical contact in general like no piggy back rides, I don’t let them pick me up, and I don’t let them use me as an arm rest so many of them don’t even try to hug me because they already know some of my boundaries.

  • Wow, you remembered! It was really okay for my first real tournament. I got one of the lowest in my category for katas (I don’t understand why, I performed my kata exactly as I learned it) and I scored third in sparring. The sparring was more fun than I thought it would be. And my kata, I just don’t understand what happened there. Would you have any advice for performing katas in tournaments?

  • Oh, judges are fickle things! That’s happened at least three or four times to me to with katas, so don’t let it discourage you. I probably can’t give you any advice you don’t already know, but learn those katas until you can do them in your sleep. Learn them forward backward, upside down, inside out, and so on. That way, when the pressure’s on, you do it exactly as you’ve trained.

    That said, the fact that the judges didn’t vote for you doesn’t mean you made any mistakes. I have found the judges at martial arts competitions to be incredibly biased at times. One of my most recent competitions in February I had the same thing happen. I did my pattern, and it felt like I did it perfect. I lost, and I had multiple people (high ranking black belts) tell me I’d been robbed. So, it happens. Just come back just as prepared next time!

    Congrats on the sparring! Nice job. Sparring is awesome!

  • I’ve heard that you should treat a guy/girl as you would if your future spouse was right there with you. That’s probably the way to go 🙂

  • Thanks for the encouragement. It really helps. Yeah, I can see how the judges would be more fickle with the katas. I suppose judging for the sparring is a bit more straightforward than for katas. Thanks again. 🙂

  • How did you miss this? This is the most important Rebelutionary conversation ever to take place on here! 😉
    I know the movie pretty well, too… I wonder how well I could quote it end-to-end. For the first ten years or so of my life, I watched that movie whenever I was sick because it was one of the few VHS’s we owned. So I know it pretty well!

  • I go to a christian school, and I am in a relationship with a very christian guy. We both have never really been into a christian relationship so its really exciting that we found each other because we both want the same thing. (to have GOD as the center of our relationship) It has been working out. And we do kiss and hold hands but the thing is we have a good motive behind our kiss and holding hands. We don’t want to engage in sexual activities with each other. That is just not who we are. We are both GOD fearing Christians. But the faculty at our school recently thought we were “making out” in school when we were not. Me and my boyfriend do not like that term either because it is so provocative. Making out just feeds into society and that is now what me and my boy friend are doing……So they wrote us up and we got in trouble even when we tried to explain ti them we were not engaging in sexual activities they did not want to listen and it really upset me and him…..EVERYONE THINKS DIFFERENTLY OF US now and we didnt do anything wrong whatsoever. PLease give me some advice!!!! GOD BLESS 🙂

  • My advice would be to not kiss in school and maybe not show as much physical contact; just remember your limits 🙂 and talk to the teachers about it. PLUS pray about it 😉

  • I echo what Lauren said– maybe lighten up on the physical contact in school, and pray and talk to the teachers. Also, make sure that you’re not making people uncomfortable when you kiss in public.
    I’m sorry you’re in trouble when you shouldn’t be; that’s never fun. And sorry if I sound judgmental, that’s really not my intent. 🙂

  • Lauren and Ruthie pretty much said it. 🙂 I’m sorry you’re in this situation; it can be very difficult when everyone believes something about you that isn’t true. You just have to persevere and set a Godly example, both as individuals and in your relationship. Over time, people will see that, whatever they may have heard before, you and your boyfriend are striving to honor God in your lives. Also, be careful with PDAs. If you and your boyfriend have decided that it’s fine for you to kiss, that’s ok. The Bible doesn’t say otherwise. But, like Ruthie said, there are a lot of people who will be uncomfortable if you kiss in public, so just be aware of that.

  • Thank you so much every one!!!! I understand that we should not do that in public and we rarely do….BUT THANK YOU 🙂

  • I believe that the answers are person-specific. What’s alright for some people isn’t necessarily alright for others. I am of the belief that God convicts us in our actions. The questions I ask myself anytime I have to decide what my standpoint on a gray area is are: 1. Does it draw me away from God? Does this physical contact distract me from my relationship with God? Does it tempt me to mentally travel in places that I shouldn’t go?
    2. Does it draw others away from God? Does me having physical contact distract my boyfriend (or girlfriend) from their relationship with God? Is it distracting or stumbling to my friends?
    If you want to take it to an even higher level you can also ask the third question:
    3. Does it draw me closer to God? Does this relationship in all of its aspects push me to Christ.
    I would say the best way to know where to draw the lines is to pray for God to show you His will in this.

  • Of course!!! 🙂 this is awesome I recently just read their book. Do Hard Things, and I decided to go on here and check it out!!! Its an awesome site!!!! I am glad to find other teen Christians who embrace Christianity like me.

  • hello my friend lauren………Interesting seeing you on here. lol but thanks for the advice 🙂

  • Great! Yes, it’s awesome to come here and see that there are teens out there who are sincere Christians–not just in name.

  • Thanks Anna! I have never kissed a boy and I do not plan to until my wedding day. Honestly, I used to have dreams about kissing a boy. As I now recall these dreams, I remember them as horrible regrets. Guys please think VERY carefully before you make any actions. Girls,too.

  • I guess I should specify my view on this matter. I believe that kissing before marriage can be very harmful. As kissing can bring about unwanted effects, I hope to stay faaaar away from it. Although I believe that hugging and holding hands can be harmful as well, I believe that in some circumstances it would be okay. I myself plan to have as little physical contact with the opposite gender as possible.

  • Okay. I feel left out now. I never knew that there were so many others who actually could quote that song. Awesome!

  • Totally know what you mean. Once I was stuck between two guys in a game of pass the ball to the end of the line using only your necks to hold the ball…it also happened to be my first night at a new youth group and I think that one of the guys thought that I was flirting with him. It left me not knowing exactly how to react and emotionally tense and disturbed.

  • YOU GUYS JUST QUOTED MY SONG!! <3
    Lol sorry :P… Best Veggie Tales song ever, in my opinion.

  • I agree with what other people mentioned. But I would also add that we need to make sure we are being a good example of Christ and honoring Him. Also, we don’t want to make other Christians trip.

  • I guess that when you’re in a relationship, things can be different. I think that holding hands is ok while you have “an understanding” But would shy away from kissing or front hugging until you’re actually either really serious or engaged. Once you start doing things, its really hard to stop. As a girl, I know that its so easy to get really emotionally involved and to crave physical touch where a guy might not be as involved. I would definitely have my parents and involved in our relationship and probably my future boyfriends parents and siblings involved (assuming that they’re godly people). I know that for me, the first guy I’m in a relationship with, I want to one day be my husband. My one concern, is that if I’m in a relationship and do become physically involved, I will be devastated if there’s a breakup. So I would go with my previous comment on treating a guy (or girl) as you would if your future spouse was right there with you until you KNOW that this person will be your future spouse!

    Note: please don’t get legalistic! we all make mistakes and decisions so maybe you’re fine with kissing while dating or whatever, and that’s totally ok. It’s just not how I would do it 🙂 Also, I may feel different when I’m in a relationship, but know a lot of people that i want a marriage like theirs and they have never regretted being cautious. Look up Eric and Leslie Ludy at Ellerslie.com or Setapartgirl.com They have some awesome resources and an beautiful testimony on their love story!!

    Hope this helps!!! 😀

  • Try to imagine your behavior with guys/girls being recorded and then someday played for your future spouse. Another idea is to never say or do anything with anyone that you wouldn’t mind your father/guardian knowing about, or even being there for.

  • Hey Josh! Hope this doesn’t offend you, but may I ask why you are following me? Heads up, I’m usually not allowed to talk to guys on social networks. Just would be great if I could know your point of view.

  • I’m not Josh, but on Disqus “following” someone just means that the comments they post show up in your email notifications. It’s different than in most social networking sites. Don’t feel bad or anything, Disqus was pretty confusing for me when I first started using it too. 🙂

  • Yep! To echo what Ruthie C. said, following is something that is popular here. 🙂 it just means (for me) that I like the input the person put into the conversation and found it helpful and uplifting. Hopefully that helps a little!
    🙂

  • Hey Christina!

    No offense taken! If you look at my profile, you’ll see that I’m following a bunch of people – honestly, I follow most people I come across. I just unfollowed you, though, if that’s what you want. =)

    Hey, one more thing: if you would like to make your account to where people can’t follow you, there’s a setting in your profile that you can switch from “public” to “private”. It’s under “profile” where you set your picture and stuff.

    Hope this helps!

    -Josh

  • Coming from another Amanda… 🙂
    The main focus when in a relationship is to point others to God and help them keep their focus there. Therefore, it’s really hard to simply list a bunch of do’s and don’t’s. Josh Harris’s books “I Kissed Dating Goodbye” and “Boy Meets Girl” help me a lot with this stuff.
    From personal experience, my ex-boyfriend and I had gone a lot farther than I would have thought – praise God not intimacy, but still in my mind it was too far. The thing is, when you are dating/courting someone with the intentions of marriage, you have feelings involved… and those feelings progress.
    My ex and I started off with holding hands. Soon holding hands wasn’t enough, and we did side hugs… and then front hugs… then long chats in the car at night (bad idea)… then snuggling… then kissing… then who knows where else it could have went had we not broke up.
    The thing is, as soon as you start getting more physical, as soon as you start touching, you want more. God has made us with a physical attraction for the opposite gender, which is a wonderful thing, but it’s knowing how to use it in relationships outside of marriage.
    If I am in a relationship again, I will be more prepared. Growing up with a culture background of displaying emotions by actions (French people love giving hugs), I would be okay with a side hug, but I know for me if I started holding hands, cuddling, or kissing, I would accelerate too quickly. I’m not helping myself flee temptation, nor would I be helping the guy keep his focus on Christ.
    Honestly, if you can avoid the majority of physical contact before marriage, that would be easier. Song of Solomon talks about not waking up love before it’s time. I know why now, because it becomes much harder and takes so much more grace to patiently wait when you have a taste of just how good it all will.
    Also, should you break up (like me), it’s really awkward to think you kissed someone else’s someday husband… we’ve forgiven each other and praise God we are still pretty good friends, but occasionally it’s awkward, and we can’t have the same level of really good friendship we use to have (we’ve tried). Why ruin a perfectly waste a wonderful friendship because you were too impatient?
    So… my advice for you (from someone who’s tried and figured that I knew what I was dog and could handle it) is to keep your focus and his focus on God. If you are doing something that is distracting, then just don’t do it. I have regrets now that I can never change, but I can encourage others to consider carefully their actions.

  • One thing I would add is that, yes, I think everyone wants to marry the first person they date, but sometimes that’s not what God has planned (speaking from experience – and yeah, it is pretty devasting for a while). Ultimately, see guys as brothers in Christ instead of simply “potential marriage material” (And for guys, vice versa).

  • I agree. I have a good group of friends with both guys and girls. My friends and I try to be pretty open with each other, as is appropriate, and I think it’s important to realize that girls and guys may take different meanings out of things like hugs and all. My culture background as French makes me a very huggy person, but many of my guy friends would read that in a different light, so I try not too and stick to waves, handshakes, fist punches, etc. for the majority of circumstances. It’s just less awkward to stick to cautiousness

  • Thank you 🙂
    It’s like an analogy I’ve heard of before. If you’re on one side of the fence and intimacy before marriage is on the other side, we shouldn’t be trying to get as close to the fence as possible (that is putting ourselves in way of major temptation), but instead stay far away from it. Modesty of heart and purity is a direction, not necessarily a destination.

  • As someone who kissed with my ex-boyfriend, I have purposed not to kiss a guy again until my wedding. I know where it took me mentally when dating (to the point of temptation of intimacy), and after we broke up (I struggled with pornographic videos for months – even now, almost 1.5 years later, I still have to be careful when I’m on the internet). Song of Solomon says not to awaken love before it’s time – I now sadly know why.

  • Yeah… in Quebec where my relatives live, it is normal to greet each other (regardless of gender) with a “kiss” on both cheeks, especially close friends or at church.
    Here in Nova Scotia, though, I would never think of doing such a thing.
    Having dated and kissed before, I don’t want or appreciate guys kissing me (whether mouth or cheeks or head or whatever). I don’t belong to them, but to God first, and then to my future spouse. I may not be able to give my husband my first kiss on my wedding day, but I purpose to keep myself for God and for him from here-on out.

  • I’ve never heard of a girl going crazy over a handshake… I think she would go crazy in Quebec with the kisses on the cheek.
    Are you not in high school yet @Sam S. ? Just want to say I always appreciate your comments – you display a lot of spiritual maturity for someone your age. A lot of you guys & girls here do – makes this 21-girl feel old 😛

  • Good thoughts! One thing I’ll add, if you do have Christian friends struggling with depression, cutting, suicide, being bullied, etc., I’ve found that taking that moment to pray for them with them has had the biggest and best impact.
    I speak from experience. I’ve struggled with suicide and have an ongoing strugglwith depression and anxiety (to the point of chest pain, numb arms, and twice anxiety attacks), as well as more recently and only occasionally cutting. For me, if I was sharing this with a guy and then he comes around and give me a big hug and tells me everything is going to be okay… I don’t know, it’s not (personally)really going to help putting my focus in the right place because I’m thinking about the fact that this nice guy is so kind and understanding and – I don’t know, but it’s almost making me now slightly dependant on him. What I found is the best for me is the guy offering to pray with me right then. The guy is then helping me point my focus back to God. If

  • Is it scary that I actually understood that? But then my uncles and aunts on my mom’s side are actually my mom’s cousin AND step-siblings… the family complications of your grandmother divorcing and marrying her ex-husband’s brother… 😛

  • That’s sweet Jess, just saying! 🙂
    Advice? Here’s some thoughts:

    1) Start by continuing to building your relationship with God. A man who is a strong leader, patient, a listener but speaks wisdom, seeks justice but grants mercy… those are huge traits a Christian girl looks for in a guy (at least I and my girl friends do).
    2) Find ways to serve with her. If you’re considering to get to know her more with the intentions of possibly marriage, you’d be serving God with her together for the rest of your life. The more I serve in my church or in my group of friends, the more I know whether or not I could live with them. But it’s a great way to get close and know each other more in a Christ-centered way.
    3) Just be yourself. No girl wants a guy to pretend to be someone he isn’t just to get her attention.
    4) Figure out where she’s at. Is she ready to begin a relationship? Don’t get discourage if she would want more time out didn’t feel ready – she’s being real and doesn’t want to hurt you or herself.
    5) Initiate! Girls want guys to be initiators and leaders! If you want to spend with her, just ask!!! Especially if you’ve know her for a while, just ask (did I say that enough times? Lol)

    Hope this helps! 😀

  • To all guys for the record, absolute YES about being good with kids – it is the cutest thing EVER!!! 😀

  • i’m not expecting that I’ll marry the first guy i’ll date, but it’s a dream 🙂 I like your perspective. I just want to save myself as much heartbreak as possible because of things that have happened to me in the past. so that’s where I’m coming from. thanks!!

  • You welcome Ruthie 🙂 God’s been teaching me the importance of being open with my faults and mistakes so that I can encourage others – it’s hard at times, but so beneficial, releaving, and rewarding 🙂

  • Haha, I wasn’t looking down on you guys at all – I had just assumed I was the same age as many of you so it surprised me 🙂 And I wasn’t trying to point our anything or say you made a mistake – it didn’t come across as such in my mind.
    Sorry if I offended you or anyone else – I don’t always know how to word things 😛

  • Yeah it is so true…Like even in my christian school people think all of this is a joke and I wanna do something about it…So this site is GREAT for advice 🙂

  • Yeah, unfortunately a Christian school doesn’t equal Christian students. :/ But that’s awesome that you want to do something about it! 🙂

  • Hi Amanda, thank you for sharing this! I’m pretty sure that I’m one of those people who would get easily carried away by physical touch with romantic intent.

  • I could be wrong, if you guys are just joking around 😉 but I just wanted to make sure that you know…there are a lot of Lauren’s out there. More than one on the Reb, in fact! So, if I’m right or wrong, doesn’t matter; just thought I’d put that out there. 🙂

  • Another Amanda!! That makes 4 of us! Welcome to the family. 🙂

    I agree, Sam is a great guy. 🙂

  • She could have been flirting, but she may have been a little nervous too, meeting new people in an unfamiliar environment. I laugh too much when I am nervous, and talk too much when I am anxious. (A bit incoherently too;)

  • Good points, @amanda_pitre:disqus
    Like I said, it is all personal preference. I have never dated so my views and how I feel might end up changing once I am with a guy, plus it depends on how the guy feels too. If he thinks hugging or cuddling will make him stumble then I won’t tempt him, that would make me a bad girlfriend! I will be praying for you, I understand how hard temptation is.It gets better with God’s help! 🙂

  • Considering I was watching her type her comment in class from afar….. I’m almost positive i’m the right Lauren 😉 but thanks 🙂

  • Thanks for the clarification! I don’t mind if I have followers, but it is kind of new for me to have people looking at everything I write.

  • Wow, the world of miscommunication.. glad we got this all straightened out! 🙂

  • No 🙂 But that’s okay. I’ve finally been learning that I can happily serve God single just as well as married. God gives me everything I need to serve Him to the fullest capacity. If God doesn’t see it fit for me to have someone in my life at this time, then I guess I don’t need to either. So I’m just focusing on serving God and seeing where He brings me, and what He has in His plans for me 🙂

  • And it’s a nice dream! 🙂 I’m the first young person in my church (and there’s quite a few of us) to date someone and go through a break up. God allows some to not have to go through a breakup, but for some He does.
    For anyone that does or will go through one, just remember that God is in control and will only ever do what is best for you. It’s so hard to understand sometimes (is something I’m still ever so slowly learning), but keeping that mindset gives so much comfort and strength. Also, mend your relationship back to a friendship if at all possible. It’s hard and awkward for a while, but it’s so worth it. 🙂

  • I agree. (A good point to make too:) We don’t want to be legalistic, but share our own convictions on the subject, and experiences, (negative and/or positive) without shoving our opinions on others. There is not a “set of rules” you can follow in this area. You can only pray about it, seek advice, and purpose in your own heart what is the most loving, godly approach to take to relationships, and make your own convictions, while, like you said, “following a path that would please, honor, and glorify Him.”

  • My youth pastor talked about this concept of “follow a path, stop drawing the line”, when we were doing a study of the seven deadly sins. I really liked the idea and thought I’d share it with the Reb people!

  • This is a GREAT question. And to be honest my belief is that the more stricter you are with your convictions, the better. Just because that doesn`t leave ANY room for anything physical to happen, that one day you WILL regret!!:)

  • And a boquet of roses, don’t forget those! And a white stallion and a sunset behind him. 🙂

  • I would say it’s different for every person. For some people, even hugging is a stumbling block. Personally, I hug my friends, so that’s never been an issue for me. However, I think the farthest anyone should go with someone you aren’t married to is a kiss on the lips. Making out, etc. tends to be a stumbling block for everyone.

  • One thing that I have been taught is this: physical and emotional intercourse serves one purpose, to know a spouse in a Biblical sense. Just think about it. Outside of marriage you are not “one flesh”, but separate. Guys, your job in a relationship is to lead her closer to God and make her purity one of to your top priorities. Girls, help your guy out with that. Treat each other physically and emotionally as you treat all your friends, all the while learning about their walk with the Lord and whether you two are fit for marriage. Make the goal of your relationship God’s glory.

  • Also read Hebrews 12:1-2. I believe a more biblical question other than “How far can I go?” is “Does it help me run?” and in a relationship “Am I helping him/her run?”

  • Uhh, thanks! I’m always really embarrassed cause I’m really critical of myself in those videos and pics. I was not very good back then. But thanks anyway!

  • August was fine. I meant last March, when the vids were taken. But I’m glad you think they’re cool! I’m videoing tomorrow’s fights most likely if you want to see them.

  • Hey MJ! Been a long time! I just got back on here, and saw that I had a response from you from a month ago! Sorry about that. I’ve been doing pretty good! Started community college this semester and it’s not as scary as I thought. I’ve been recruiting by my youth pastor to make some new videos, and you remember that movie project I told you about? Well we actually pulled it off!!! We filmed the whole thing in the summer and had it edited before the leader actor went off to college. It was a great success, and all of the people involved had a blast. I’ll try to get it to you, but that may be difficult.

    Anyway, enough about me. How have you been lately?

  • Wow, it’s been eleven days since you answered me…
    I’m happy to hear that you got that finished! If you could get it to me, that’d be awesome, but that would pose some problems.
    So last I heard you didn’t know where you wanted to go for college; have you made more plans?

    Me. Well, school is about to drive me up a wall, but aside from that I’m doing pretty well. 🙂 I’ve been working on school or other necessary stuff (my job, etc.) six or seven hours a day, six days a week… it’s tiring. But it’ll be worth it in the end, I’m probably going to be done with this year’s schoolwork in February so I can get a head start on my senior year.

  • That’s great! I’m hoping to get a job pretty soon. Maybe at the start of next semester.

    I think I’m going to go to the University of Texas in Austin, mainly because the college courses I’m doing now will transfer there. I’m going to study chemical engineering. So I do have a skeleton of a plan for what I’ll need to get done in the next few years.

    What about you? Any plans for after your senior year?

  • And now it’s been eight days… wow, I’m getting to be bad at this idea of answering in a timely fashion!
    I’m planning on nursing right now, and I want to work in medical missions after that. Still deciding on a college, although I definitely want it to be a Christian college. I mean, there’s two “skill sets” I need for medical missions: medical skills and Biblical knowledge. So, attending a secular school wouldn’t be a very wise move for me. Makes everything way more expensive, though. :/

  • Wow. Thanks for asking. Not too many people just ask that point blank.

    I’m going through a change in churches right now. The church I’m leaving I’ve been going to for seven years, and it’s like I’m planted there you know? I’m not resentful that we’re leaving (lets just say our church falls short in a few important departments), but it’s just a matter of habit having seen the same people each month for years, and I’ve been told I have a hard time breaking habits. So I don’t know, I guess you could pray that this transition would be smooth and painless, and that there would be even more opportunities to serve and help at the next church we go to.

    Also, please pray that I can be a better friend to the friends I have. I want to be the best friend I can possibly be, but sometimes I’m not sure if that’s how my friends see my intentions. One other thing is to trust my friends. I’ve always had a very small circle of friends that I’ve allowed into my life. But one especially close friend broke my trust and we have since broken friendship. That’s kind of made me hesitant to trust some of my other friends, even the ones I like hanging out with. So if you would, please pray that I would have opportunities to be a better friend to the friends I have, and that I would be able to build trust between us.

    Sorry for the book, but I felt you should have some backstory. Is there anything I can pray for you about? And it’s okay if you have to send a book too. 🙂

  • Oh, I don’t like changing churches. :/ I’ll be praying for you guys. Do y’all have a church that you want to see about joining, or are you just hoping to find a good one somehow?

    It seems all of us Rebelutionaries have friend problems. I’ll be praying for you here, too!

    Well, recently I have been kind of cut off from my friends, because I left the one activity that we used to do together. So I’ve been lonely. I want to find other ways to be with my friends, but I haven’t been able to get together with them. I guess you could be praying with me that I’ll either find ways to be with my friends, or that I’ll find new ones that I can be with more.

    Nothing else is coming to mind right now… nothing that I’m cool with sharing with the entire Reb, anyways.

    Hey, that gives me a thought. Have you heard of the website Revive? Sam S (the candy corn guy 🙂 put it together, there’s a lot of us Rebbers over there. If you joined there, we could talk through the private-messaging system rather than commenting over here. 🙂

  • I know this post is old and you may not need advice anymore, but treat her with respect. A girl wants to feel safe, no matter what type of relationship. Be willing to stick up for her and do not, I repeat, do not flirt with her. That’s never a good idea. Girls get the wrong impression. Compliments are fine but she doesn’t always look beautiful in a sweaty tee shirt and stained gym shorts ;0)

  • I have grown up in a pretty mixed culture. For me I never really thought about not kissing or holding hands with a future boyfriend. Mainly because kisses on the check is the greeting for girls, as well as front on hugs. So for me it doesn’t seem like a big deal, in fact it would be culturally rude if you decided to save so much for marriage. I’ve recently moved to Australia though. So I think I need to change my thinking a bit so I’m not a problem for others.

  • My conviction after taking a hard look at what the Bible says is, “If he wouldn’t do it with his mother, he shouldn’t do it with me.” That doesn’t eliminate all touch, just the sexual stuff. (unless he’s really messed up, but we wont go there! haha)

  • Here’s my two cents. I believe the holy spirit will convict us. It always helps though to have a plan in mind.

    I would suggest discussing it with your girlfriend/boyfriend before engaging in any physical activity, other than maybe some hugging at most. This would ensure that neither party is uncomfortable and that there are clear cut boundaries before you are too involved to see clearly. This is what I have done in my relationship and it has worked well thus far.

    If you believe you can handle more intimacy when you are rather serious, have another discussion about it. Discussing peaceably never hurt anyone. Action without thought has.

    It is very much up to your personal conviction, but tread carefully. The flesh desires sin and it is very easy to falter, even if you have the best intent in mind.

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