What is the role of baptism in the Christian life?

Jeffrey,

In short, baptism is a public confession of faith in Jesus Christ. It is NOT required for salvation – I haven’t been baptized, nor have two of my pastor’s kids (but we do want to soon). It is not a necessary event per se, but it is a very important proclamation to make – Jesus was baptized, and (like @trent_blake:disqus said) in the great commission we are commanded to baptize others.

Hope this helps!

On the other side, you could be baptized and not be a Christian. Our family is a part of the Presbyterian church which practices infant baptism, so you have people like my uncle who have been baptized but proclaim to be agnostics. (Just to clarify, I do not believe in infant baptism, I believe that you should be baptized after a confession of faith in Christ and not as a baby.)

Yup. I go to a church where we practice infant baptism and it can be really sad to see people who have been baptized but their faith only applies on Sunday mornings (and sometimes not even then)

As the people before have said, baptism is a public confession of faith in God. It’s not absolutely necessary for salvation, but a *very, very* good idea for believers. My church believes in infant baptism, but my family (and a couple of other families) decided to only baptize older children who have accepted Jesus and have a good understanding of the faith. Sprinkling and immersion are both “legal” forms of baptism. I was immersed and really enjoyed it, but many people at my church are sprinkled.

Baptism is different in different churches. In Baptist churches, we do full immersion baptism (symbolizing dying to the old self and being raised with Christ) for three reasons: to follow Jesus example, to obey Jesus command to be baptized and to tell others that Jesus comes first in our lives.
I was baptized two years ago. It was wonderful to share my testimony and show people that I was serious about my faith–I just wanted everyone to know. In some baptist churches, you need to be baptized to become a member. However, I think everyone realizes that it’s not a requirement of being a Christian. An older relative of mine was not baptized until he was in his 30s, even though he already had a relationship with God. He waited because he wanted to be sure that it was his own decision and not a result of others pressuring him into it.

I guess I’m not sure exactly what you mean by “necessary event”. For salvation? Absolutely not! To obey God’s Word? Yes!

In Matt. 28, baptism is included as a part of the great commission, meaning it is indeed a command of Scripture. If we are called to baptize others as a part of world evangelism, I don’t see how that would make sense unless we ourselves were baptized.

Philip baptizes the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 after checking to make sure he understood that salvation was supposed to come first. So, my personal opinion of what the Bible teaches is that it is baptism after salvation, by immersion.

In direct answer to your question, I can’t answer whether or not it’s necessary for a “good Christian”. It’s a command of Scripture that is there like any other command, to love your neighbor or honor your parents. What God leads you to do or work on in your own life is your call, and something I can’t tell you!

I’m not sure if I have many texts commanding baptism, but it seems to be seen throughout the New Testament as an accepted requirement, to the point that it is assumed that all believers were baptized (Rom. 6:3, 1 Cor. 12:13). Peter does appear to say it as a command to the crowds at Pentecost (Acts 2:38).

Baptism is pretty laid back in America. If you do the research though, it probably meant to the early church what it means to the Muslims today. That is the point at which you finally identify outwardly with Christ. It’s a sign that would have cost you your life under Nero and could cost you your life today in Sudan or Iran. In much of the persecuted church, baptism is treated as the final step of you acknowledging yourself with Christ. It’s really the step of no return in Islamic countries today.

I think that all the examples in the Bible were probably baptism by immersion. But I don’t think it matters all that much if you are baptized by sprinkling if you are doing it for the right reasons; namely, obedience to Jesus’ command and making a public declaration of your faith. I hate it when churches get divided over issues like how to baptize—it’s actually a very small issue, but it ends up causing huge problems in the church.

Hey Jeffrey good question 😀 i take a theology class at my church and my youth pastor leads it, we talked about this same thing a couple weeks ago. He said that it’s not necessary to your salvation, it doesn’t’ save you. You still have to except Christ into your life, like @colettesweers:disqus said it is an act of obedience towards God. It’s like the icing on the cake but it’s not what makes the cake a cake. for instance you can be a Christian and go to heaven without getting baptized, but Baptizim is a sign of the covenant it’s a sign that you are a believer. it’s an act of reverence towards God. It sets you apart.

If your deciding whether or not to get baptized i highly encourage you to!! It’s one of the two sacraments (the other being communion) and it’s just an act of reverence and a proclamation of faith in Christ Jesus. But it does not save you or anything like that.

I hope this helps Jeffrey 😀 and if i got any of my facts wrong guys then please tell me 🙂

God Bless,
~Madeleine

Baptism certainly is a controversial subject, but I think you’ll find that the majority of the people here are very respectful of the views of others. It’s okay to disagree, and it’s okay to discuss our disagreements, as long as it’s done in love. 🙂 Thanks for the advice!

Absolutely. I do appreciate the warning; it was a good thing to point out with a sensitive subject such as this.

I don’t believe that baptism=salvation, or that baptism is what makes you a good Christian. Baptism is a proclamation of faith in Jesus; a physical sign that you’ve accepted Him into your heart and you are a new being because of it.
Everyone understands what baptism means at different times. I accepted Jesus into my heart when I was nine and got baptized when I was ten. I’m not sure that I fully understood what baptism meant when I was baptized, because I’m just now coming to understand it. I’ve seen a lot of people in my church get baptized- adults that have been Christians for many years but just didn’t understand baptism’s significance.
So if you havent been baptized yet, don’t rush to the nearest pool because you feel like that’s what makes you a good Christian. It’s not. Baptism is a physical example of being born again.

I think the Bible is really clear that if you are a Christian, it is by grace that you have been saved–Ephesians 2:5,8 (which I think others have mentioned). We can do nothing to save ourselves. All we know is that we have salvation when we believe that He already gave it to us. Being baptized is just a way of showing others that you are saved. I was baptized when I was ten or eleven, and my parents talked to me a lot about if I understood what it meant–a way to show others that I truly believed in Jesus. My dad grew up Catholic and became a Christian later in life, and although he was baptized as a baby he decided to be baptized again, just as an outward display of what was in his heart. So no, I don’t believe it is necessary to being a “good Christian”. But I definitely encourage you to consider doing it, not because you need to, but because you want to. Pretty much what everyone else is saying 😉

Yes. Thank you! 🙂

I heartily agree, Trent! Well put. God bless!

Thank all y’all for your opinions! 🙂

I’m uncomfortable with the phrase ‘a good Christian’ because we are not saved by our works. I do not believe that if someone doesn’t get baptized they are necessarily not saved, but like @wrrior4ever:disqus was saying, “salvation without bering baptized isn’t really complete.” Hope this helps! I know pretty much everything I said is just echoing what others have already said.

I’m southern too, and my dictionary says y’all is a word;)

Southern and Irish? That’s cool! 🙂

Amen!

I hope you didn’t take my last post wrong, it was all in good humor 🙂

LOL yeahhh pretty much except I don’t use all y’all that much. 🙂

Yeah I totally agree! I believe I have been born again through God’s grace, I guess I’m just curious how you associate that verse with baptism. 🙂

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom if God. So Jesus says both water and spirit, water baptism and the other.

Basically, but I usually say “all of y’all,” as in, “Could all of ya’ll come in the kitchen?” instead of “All y’all,” which, actually is rather bad grammar, if you think about it, which I don’t;) Although, if I wanted to get a large group of peoples’ attention, I would be less offensive to English scholars and say “Everybody,” or “Everyone.” Of course, I’m not from very deep south…

Hey! I can come across kind of blunt online, so please don’t take this the wrong way or as trying to be divisive. But doesn’t making baptism a requirement for salvation mean that the blood of Christ really isn’t enough to actually save me, but my salvation also needs my own good work (baptism) tossed in too? I guess I’m trying to understand how baptism would not be considered a work, and thus contradict Rom. 11:6.

In answer to your verse below, my personal understanding of John 3:5 is that Jesus is speaking as he does later in the passage of being “born again”. His reference to being born of water is a reference to our natural birth; our birth by the Spirit being the “born again” stage.

My second question would be how you would deal with the thief on the cross in Lk. 23. Jesus tells him that he would be in paradise alongside Jesus “that day”, even though he had no chance to be baptized (somewhat difficult from cross!). That seems to imply that one can be saved and go to heaven without baptism. Am I missing something?

I’m not writing this in an attempt to be argumentative or get into a debate. I’ve just never talked to anyone who believed this before, so I’m trying to understand a little better! Thanks!

what many of you here fail to understand is this.. Baptism is NOT our
“work”.. it is the APPLICATION of the WORK of Jesus on the cross.
without the blood of Jesus shed for us, through NO WORK of our own..
baptism would be absolutely meaningless.. therefore it is not OUR work..
but HIS.
But don’t take MY word for it .. here’s what JESUS himself said..

Matthew
28:18-2018 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven
and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of
all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father and of the Son
and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have
commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the
age.”
WHY would Jesus command us to do something that wasn’t
necessary? If HE did it ..and says that WE should do it.. who are we to
argue or second guess Him?
What more do you want?

As for Luke 23.. Jesus is God.. he can Save whom He chooses at any point He chooses.. the thief was a Believer.. but had NO Possibility of being baptized.. Jesus KNEW this. And so granted him salvation at His own discretion.

So, do you believe that baptism is my action with which I secure Christ’s blood (cashing in the check)? If so, I think I get what you’re saying.

Your analogy of the check still makes the actual effectiveness of Christ’s blood dependent on my work of baptism, right? Christ died, and that is enough, but until I do my part (baptism), it accomplishes nothing? That still sounds like a slightly different variation of works salvation to me. Please correct me where I’m misunderstanding you (because I feel like I am missing something).

As someone who does believe Jn. 3:5 is speaking of physical birth, my reason behind that is simply reading Jn. 3. Taken in context, it makes much more sense than placing baptism into the passage. Look at the very next verse: “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Think about what that seems to say. “Born of the flesh” sounds very much more like a physical birth than baptism. I think it takes more reading into the passage to place baptism in the passage (something seen nowhere else in the passage) than to think of it as a natural birth. I can go into more detail, but I know the moderators of the sight did not intend this to become a debate forum!

You’re right, it is just an opinion. But that is what you and I are discussing right now, since neither of us are inspired! Thank you for having this conversation with me!

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”
So what YOU are telling me is that if we do not have a “physical birth”.. we cannot enter the Kingdon of heaven…
That just seems… nonsensical.. since we are ALL Born physically…

The same as you seem to be telling me that unless I’m baptized I cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven, something clearly contradicted by the thief on the cross, who entered the Kingdom of heaven without being baptized! Either Jesus didn’t mean this as a universal principle, or He didn’t mean baptism. If He meant that in order for anyone to enter heaven he must be baptized, then the thief on the cross must be excluded from heaven, since He was not baptized.

Honestly, I don’t know how to explain that, since I do believe that babies who die in the womb go to heaven. Ideas, anyone else following this thread?

By the same token, the idea that only those baptized can enter heaven also seems contradicted by the thief on the cross, does it not? You said that God is God, so He can save who He please, but I think we both agree He won’t lie. If He says, as you claim, in Jn. 3 that you must be baptized to enter heaven, and then to the thief on the cross (who was never baptized) he promises entrance into heaven, Jesus lied in one of those two places, something I think both of us will agree didn’t happen. Something isn’t adding up!

“You said that the check is worthless unless I GO GET BAPTIZED. How is that not a work?

I see that idea as more along the lines of someone offering me a million
bucks if I go do something really simple for them. That’s works
salvation!”

This is a very good point.. but may I ask.. what is a “work”.. is it NOT a work to “accept jesus as a personal savior”.. simply because no PHYSICAL action is involved? .. You ACCEPTED.. that’s a CHOICE on your part.. if you don’t “Accept” him.. His Blood sacrifice is worthless (to YOU).. so why is it so hard to acknowledge that baptism is a necessary thing.. I don’t see the difference.. without the blood sacrifice of Jesus .. NOTHING WE DO can save us.. THAT is what GRACE means..

Hi @Taylor B., sorry to but in on your conversation! Christ’s blood is enough to save, you need nothing else. But, faith without works is dead even though works can’t save. I know that’s confusing but basically, when you are saved, you act in obedience because you are thankful to God, not because it saves you. So baptism itself cannot save you otherwise we’d just go into the world baptising everyone and we wouldn’t have to worry about preaching or discipling people. Baptism is an act of obedience. Obedience is one of the fruits by which you can start to tell if someone is (already) saved.(By their fruits you will know them).
You are saved and then you obey the commandment to make a public (symbolic) profession of your faith. Jesus was baptised which makes me less inclined to believe that baptism saves you because what did Jesus need saved for?
And as an aside, children are physically born with a lot of water involved which is why women say their waters have broken, it’s the fluid that the baby was previously cocooned in in the womb. Just as a matter of grizzly biological interest 🙂
So basically, I pretty much agree with you. Good point about the thief. I’d worry that if people say baptism is essential to salvation that they are doing something similar to the judaizers in Galatians. (Not trying to stir up trouble, just saying).

You guys make me smile 🙂 I’m not even from America and I use y’all

Hey Pearl and Taylor, about babies and young children, when David and Bathsheba’s child died, David said “But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.” It sounds to me like David was pretty confident he would see his son again.

Wow this really took off after I left….

So, say that someone were to accept Jesus into their heart, then die two hours later without being baptized. Even though they just proclaimed their faith, asked Jesus to come into their heart, and decided to follow Him whatever the cost, you’re saying that they wouldn’t be accepted into the kingdom of God because they didn’t get baptized? Baptism isn’t what saves! It is solely because of Jesus’ sacrifice that we are able to go to Heaven. Baptism is a physical symbol of dying to our old selves and being born again because we’ve accepted Jesus into our heart. It isn’t the deciding factor of where we go once we die. I completely agree with @disqus_oMHOgFTIn3:disqus, what you’re saying doesnt seem to be adding up.

No kidding. I just woke up, and this was not what I expected to see. 😮

Hey Pearl:) First of all, I completely respect your view point on this subject, however I do believe differently than you. I don’t expect you to change your mind, but I thought I would just state exactly what I believe and why:)
No, Ephesians 2:5,8 does not contradict acts 2:38 which says, “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'”
What I believe is that Jesus commands us to be baptized, as Peter says in the verse, and we should. But, if we disobey this command, He will not ban us from going to heaven. God knows that we will disobey Him sometimes, that is why He sent His Son to die in the first place!
If this was the only verse in the Bible that talked about our salvation, then I think that it would be safe to think that being baptized is necessary for salvation. But since it is not, we need to look at the Bible as a whole.
You said that “it is by grace that we are saved.. through baptism”, well, no, it doesn’t say that. It says it is by grace you have been saved. Period. And yes, Jesus does command us to be baptized but taken in context and looking at all the other verses that talk about our salvation ONLY being through grace, it is obvious to me that Jesus only wants us to be baptized out of obedience to Him, not to gain our passage into heaven.
Romans 1:16a says, “I am not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes.” It does not say, for everyone who believes AND is baptized.
Romans 5:21 “so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Not eternal life through Him and baptism.
I hope this makes sense:) I have no intention of starting an argument, just stating the reasons why I believe what I believe.

I was thinking the same thing with unborn babies. Coming from a church that does infant baptism, I think it is very important, but not crucial to salvation. Only Jesus saves (by grace through faith – faith which He inspires by the Holy Spirit, but faith without action is dead because true faith will manifest itself in what we do)

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Mostly in fun, but pretty much:)

Cool beans! I thought we southerners owned that. Are you from the south “somewhere’s else?”

Hey, I’ve been hanging back from this conversation, but i thought i’d give my opinion. In the verse in John 3, where Jesus is talking to Nicodemus, Jesus may have been referring to our physical birth when He said a man must be born of water. Or, if that’s not the case, remember that this was happening before the cross. Jesus hadn’t died yet, but John was already baptizing people. Being baptized before Calvary may have been like animal sacrifices in the Old Testament. It was symbolic of things to come. When Jesus took His last breath on the cross, He cried out, “It is finished!” Not, “It’s almost finished, but you still have to be baptized.” I believe in Salvation by faith alone in Jesus Christ. This is just my opinion however. May God bless all of us in our search for truth and wisdom!

I use y’all when I’m writing, and I only lived in the South (kinda) for four years 🙂

I haven’t read all the comments but I will say this–and try to keep it brief. However, I do beleieve I bring sometihng new, different, and important to the convcersation.

We agree that one must obey the Gospel (The Good News of Jesus) to be saved, right? So if baptism is a part of the Gospel, then we’d have to be baptized to be saved.

In Acts 8, Philip is talking to an Ethiopian eunuch. We don’t know the words he said, but Scripture says in verse 35, “Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus.” Next, we see the man desire to be baptized in response to whatever Philip said. “36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.”

What this shows is that the good news that Philip taught included a summary of the importance of baptism, or else this eunuch would have no reason to demand to be baptized. Baptism is a part of the Gospel, thus it’s an essential piece of Salvation.

I wrote an article on my blog about What is the Gospel and How do we Obey it that explains this deeper. (http://jakedoberenz.blogspot.com/p/the-gospel.html)

I would have to disagree. We don’t know what Philip said, whether about baptism or comments about the weather. He may have mentioned baptism, but whether or not Philip said that it was a part of salvation is, in my opinion, pure speculation. We can reasonably guess that Philip mentioned the concept (since the Ethiopian in all likelihood had no other background with baptism), but whether or not Philip said “baptism is necessary for salvation” or if he said “baptism is an outward sign of an inward change” is not recorded in the passage. Either one would fit in regard to the Ethiopian’s reaction. We have no way of knowing what Philip said.

I’m sorry if I come across as confrontational or combative. The gospel of grace is extremely important to me, so I tend to be a little (overly) passionate in attempting to defend it. Thank you for sharing your view!

Welcome back, Jake! I haven’t seen you here in a while 🙂

Pretty much everything I would have said has already been posted, so to anyone reading this- keep your eyes open, use good discernment through the Holy Spirit and the scripture, and if there is any contradiction- trust the word of God above all human argument.

Shout out to all who have given very wise and tactful, as well as biblical, responses to this post! I’m impressed with the good theology and manners 🙂 Keep it up, guys an’ gals!

But in James, the Bible clearly says can faith alone save a man? I will bring this back to the Red Sea analogy, only one of MANY representations of baptism. The blood already saved them, that’s why they didn’t have to die, but their choice to go through the Red Sea, their works, is what completed the process. It is when these two things come together that it is completed. And after this comes the Holy Ghost from which you will receive POWER. And as I have said before there is still much more to know about in the Bible it is a mysterious and deep read. Much more than just a glance, this is what it says here’s why and you’re done, kind of thing.

And all of this aside, we are told to do it…that alone means do it. There should be no question to follow this commandment. If we continue to water down and compromise the Word of God, then we are holding back from God, which isn’t fair seeing as to how He held nothing back from me. If the Bible said that to be saved I had to wear my underwear on my head all the time, I don’t care if I can show all the reasons why it’s nessisary, or not, I’m about to start a wearing my clothes funny because it’d be way better for me to get to heaven and God say “oh you wore your undies on your head? You know you never had to do that,” and that’s it, rather than I get there and Him say, “well you did good you listened to your elders and you were respectful, but I said to wear your undies on your head and you didn’t, because you were too embarrassed, or you weren’t totally sure of my reasons behind it, so you disobeyed me, thus you willfully sinned, depart from me for I never knew thee.” It’s a somewhat ridiculous example, and even hurtful, but it kinda shows the reality behind all of this. In the end we’ve either done everything we can to get close to God and follow His will, or we’ve held back due to whatever, and you hold back due to anything, that shows a faith issue. Which means, you didn’t work even though you had faith, making your faith dead and useless…

And Yes it’s a circle back to that, it can also be tied to Samson, and to David, the walls of Jericho. The Bible just wrapped around ties itself into a pretty bow. It’s all there, we just need to make sure we are doing EVERYTHING we can to get closer to God, without making excuses for why we can’t.

Lastly on faith and works. God told Abram to leave his family and life behind, He didn’t give him any reason why or why not He said do it. And Abram went, no questions asked, no excuses given. He put his son on an altar as a sacrifice because God asked him to, and he didn’t ask any questions, or need a reason why he just did it because God told him to.

(P.s. Sorry this was so long and kind of a circle I’m very passionate about Jesus, He is my best friend and my only Love, And I want to make sure that I am very clear when I speak about Him)

Aye, that’s where dunking comes from. We just say that sometimes because it gives non-Christians an idea of what this baptism thing is.

I agree that we should always do what Jesus tells us to do without question, which is why I have been baptized, and I do not question why He told me to. There are many things we will never fully understand and I still chose to believe and follow Him no matter what.
But I’m not sure I understand your Red Sea analogy. You can’t really take a story like that and say it represents baptism.
Although I can’t explain all the way what some of these verses that people have brought up mean, I continue to trust God in what I believe, that it is by grace we have been saved–Ephesians 2:8-9. When you say that baptism is necessary for salvation, that takes away everything the Bible says about it being through Jesus’ blood sacrifice that He made a way into heaven, and not through ANYTHING we can do on our own.
When Paul says asks if faith alone can save a man, what makes the most sense to me is that he was elaborating on the fact that faith without works is dead, because if you truly had faith, works would accompany it. That doesn’t mean that without works you can’t be saved, but with faith comes the application of that faith through works.
If baptism can not save anyone on it’s own, how does it save you then after you believe. This doesn’t make much sense to me.

I only come out of the woodwork for important topics like this!

You said you didn’t think there were verses that said baptism is necessary for salvation, so I wanted to know your thoughts on these verses.

1 Peter 3:20-21
“because they {pre-Flood people] formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ”

Mark 16:16

“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”

Regarding your comments on John 3:5, your interpretation makes more sense than the classic view that’s it’s amniotic fluid from a baby’s birth. However, I don’t see enough evidence to suggest it’s anything other than actual water. What is the difference between Living Water (AKA God’s Spirit) and the Spirit (AKA, still God’s Spirit). They are the same thing, so they don’t need repeating. For this reason, I think that water is something separate from Spirit, but also intertwined. Acts 2:38 says that baptism offers us “the gift of the Holy Spirit” so I think it’s more likely that Jesus meant water baptism and the Spirit that that offers. Nicodemus also would have been aware that John was baptising people–an act that must have some kind of purpose!–so would have understood the reference to water as a reference to John’s water baptism. Jesus added the gift of the Spirit to this water baptism of repentance. Oh, and by the way, what Jesus said in all the Gospels was to people under the Old Covenant and it’s still true today!
Side note–Jesus himself was baptized two chapter before. and I’m sure it wasn’t an outward sign to show that He accepted Himself. He first got the whole of the Holy Spirit as his baptism (John 1:32), just as Acts 2:38 says we get the Holy Spirit from baptism.

I’m glad you mentioned Matthew 28. I’d like to again show you another Great Commission scripture from Mark 16:15-16, “And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” We are commanded to baptism not just because it’s an outward sign, but because it’s a part of a multi-step Salvation Plan, the first part which is to believe.

Is it possible the Acts 16 verses you mentioned, the jailer wanted to be saved from the earthquake? Even if he meant Salvation wise, which I think is likely, Paul and Silas’ words don’t contradict baptism being necessary. Believing is the first step! Without believing, being baptized and living a good and faithful life are meaningless. Paul talks about baptism’s necessity elsewhere (Romans 6:3-4, Galatians 3:27), so just because he didn’t say it this once doesn’t mean it’s not an important piece. In fact, Paul and Silas didn’t tell the jailor a lot of things, like how to follow God and participate in the Church.

I appreciate your comments! I hope you see Christ through me as I make the case for baptism.

I think Paul certainly could have been talking about spiritual baptism. The question of whether he was in fact talking about that, is another story. I just can’t think of any instances whether baptism was mentioned in a purely spiritual and not physical sense.

I just asked my parents about that passage in Romans that you quoted, and they said that at a retreat they went to recently, the focused on those exact verses. In Greek, the word baptism in this passage actually means “placed into”, not actually being physically baptized. So then it would read, “Do you not know that all of us who have been placed into Christ Jesus were placed into his death? We were buried therefore with him by being placed into death….” That clarifies things a little more to think of it that way

I agree that the passage has that exact sense, but you can’t escape that water baptism undertones. Baptism is more properly defiend as “immersion, or to be dipped into” according the popular Strong’s Greek dictionary (http://biblehub.com/greek/907.htm) which is very close to your defintion, though it highlights the link to water. I think considered baptism has refers to the immersion into water that we understand it as today, it’s safe to say this text has no alternative meaning. Just as communion is a re-enactment ceremony of the Last Supper, baptism re-enacts Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.

I think my biggest problem with your point of view (and if I’m missing something or misrepresenting it, please tel me) is that it appears to be works salvation. The Scripture says that salvation comes completely by God’s grace through our faith. You’re telling me that that apparently is not enough. God can give His grace, I can exercise my faith, but I still need to go out and do something in order for God to grant me salvation. That’s works salvation. Anytime we take the gospel and say, you have to go do this or that (anything more than receiving it in faith) in order to receive it, it is no longer grace. You can say all day long that it’s still salvation by grace, but the truth of the matter is that you are working to get it, and thus salvation by works.

Secondly, if baptism is necessary for salvation, I’m going to bring it back to the thief on the cross, who died and was promised entrance into heaven, without baptism. Do you believe in deathbed conversions, or can you only be saved if you have enough time to find a pastor or somebody to baptize you?

Thirdly, what about when Paul tells the Philippian jailor in Acts 16, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.” He just promised someone salvation if they would just trust Jesus, not be baptized. He didn’t even mention baptism. So, at least at this point, Paul didn’t feel it necessary to tell them they needed to be baptized, something I think he probably would have thought of as more of a priority if it was for salvation.

Re a couple of the passages you mentioned…

Mark 16:15-16 “And He said unto them, ‘Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be [condemned].'”
Notice that Jesus didn’t say, “He that is not baptized…shall be [condemned].”

James 2:14 “What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he have faith, and have not works? can faith save him?”
Note the context of this verse. :18, 20b-23 “Yea, a man may say, ‘Thou has faith, and I have works’: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works…faith without works is dead. Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS IMPUTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS: and he was called the friend of God.”
Cf. Romans 4:2-3: “[I]f Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS COUNTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.”
Abraham’s works were the EVIDENCE of the faith he had; his works were not what saved him. However, James was dealing with those who claimed to have professed faith but showed no evidence in their lives of it. Who will believe you are a genuine Christian if your life doesn’t back it up? Abraham’s salvation was contingent on his BELIEF, not on his works. The whole point of salvation is that we couldn’t do anything to earn or deserve it.

I think you mean Acts 2:41, not 2:47: “Then they that gladly received his [Peter’s] word [he had been preaching a sermon sharing the gospel] were baptized; and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
If you consider the context of this passage I do not think it can be used authoritatively on the subject of baptism and salvation.

1 Peter 3:17-21 “For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened [made alive] by the Spirit: by which He also went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto [Just like this,] even baptism doth also now save us–not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God–by the resurrection of Jesus Christ;”
Note the context, particularly the first sentence. This is written to believers. Peter says it is better for you to suffer for well doing (faithfulness to Christ) than for evil doing (chastisement for sin). The ark did not save those eight people from their sins; it rather saved them from the chastisement of God because they believed in Him. It is the same way with baptism. Baptism does not save us from our sins (the putting away of the filth of the flesh) but rather is a sign of our obedience to God–that we are now right with Him. You will notice that John the Baptist–who baptized Christ–used baptism in the same sense; baptism was an outward sign of people’s repentance and hearts right with God ALREADY. When the Pharisees came to be baptized, John called them a den of vipers because they looked good on the outside but their hearts were not right.

To quote your comment, “You may think this Biblically inconsistent, but considering the majority of the entire Bible centers around following God’s instructions for mankind, I think it’s safe to say we have to put in some effort.” I would dare to say that the Bible centers around man’s FAILURE to follow God’s instructions, and what God decided to do about it. It is impossible for mankind to ever follow God’s instructions. Only Christ could do that, and His righteousness applied to our account is what gives us a right standing before God in the matter of salvation–our position.

~AnnaGrace

Thank you for taking the time to thoughtfully reply to my comment. I realize i wasn’t clear that i believe that baptism IS a commandment that should be obeyed! It is to be continually practiced today (unlike animal sacrificing). I respect your opinion, but remain firm in my belief that Faith alone saves us. I believe it to be true. God bless, and thanks again 🙂

Nowhere in the Bible does it say “you have to be baptized in order to be saved”. And likewise, nowhere in the Bible does it say “you have to do good works in order to be saved”.

Believe on the LORD JESUS CHRIST and you shall be saved! ~ Acts 16:31

However, I do believe that once you are Saved, you will desire MORE… MORE of a relationship with GOD through HIS Word and Prayer. MORE opportunities to serve HIM. MORE ways to share your testimony of what HE has done in your life.

Therefore, as a believer, you “will want” to do the good works which GOD has created you to do (Ephesians 2:10), and you “will want” to be baptized (Acts 16:26-34). Feel free to read the entire account of Paul and Silas in prison (Acts 16)… Baptism is a fantastic symbol of casting off the old man and putting on the new man! It is a public declaration of your faith. You are telling the world that you are now GOD’s child… HIS heir…

As Christians we are commanded to follow in the footsteps of Jesus. Many times throughout the Bible the importance of baptism is stressed. Do you have to be baptized to be saved? No. But really, why wouldn’t you want to be baptized? You’re making a public profession of your faith and honoring God by following in His footsteps. How cool is that?! Baptism is also very symbolic. For as we were washed in the blood of Jesus Christ and passed into a new life as His blood washed away all of our imperfections and impurities, when we are baptized with water it is symbolizing that cleansing we received when we were raised to walk in newness of life. It also symbolizes the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. For as He died to take away the sins of the world, when we accept His sacrifice, we die to ourselves, are buried and raised up to walk in His footsteps. I haven’t been baptized yet, actually. I made a decision to wait until I turn sixteen (or even eighteen) because that seems to be a milestone age for most people. I want my baptism to represent not only my public profession of Christ, but also my first major decision as I enter into my adult life. (As a side note, all of Charles Spurgeon’s children were baptized at the age of 19, I believe.) Not all people think the way I do, but that’s a good thing. I’m not exactly normal. =) But baptism is something I believe every Christian should experience.

How awesome! Thank you for posting his response! It was very helpful to me!

Well said! I always think of the thief on the cross when people ask this; he wasn’t baptized, but Jesus said, ”Today, you will be with me in Heaven”.

1 Peter 3:21 says baptism saves us. Read it.

Thank you for taking the time to respond to me. I’ll be honest and say I wasn’t sure about the first verse you quoted, 1 Peter 3:20-21, but I did some research and found a good article that I’ll link to here: http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-1Peter-3-21.html

Concerning Mark 16:16, Mark focuses on belief in this verse. He says at the end “whoever does not believe will be condemned.” He doesn’t say “whoever does not believe and is not baptized will be condemned. I could easily say he who believes and prays everyday will be saved, but it’s the belief, not the praying that will save you. I hope that makes sense.

On John 3:5, it seems that the water and the Spirit are the same thing repeating, but I think that it most likely refers to two parts of the same thing. Water is often referred to symbolically in the Old and New Testament as the work of the Holy Spirit in cleansing the believer. Here, the water refers to a cleansing of past sins. The Spirit in this verse would refer to the Holy Spirit’s power to continually sanctify us and allow us to become more like Jesus. In regards to Nicodemus understanding water as a reference, wouldn’t it make more sense for Jesus to just say one needs to be “baptized and born of the spirit,” instead of referring to it as being “born of water”? When I said Nicodemus was under the Old Covenant, I meant that the way Jesus explains salvation to Nicodemus will be different than the New Covenant because Nicodemus wasn’t under the New Covenant at that point.

In Acts 16, I don’t think it is likely the jailer talking about the earthquake, as the earthquake seems to be already over at that point. Either way, I don’t think it is relevant, as Paul and Silas give an answer concerning salvation. My point here was that since Paul and Silas are talking about salvation, why would they not say “believe in the Lord Jesus and be baptized”? On a subject as important as salvation, it doesn’t seem like they would leave out such an important step.

You gave Romans 6:3-4 and Galatians 3:27 as examples of Paul talking about the necessity of baptism. I don’t really see in these examples Paul saying baptism is necessary for salvation and I think it is likely in these verses that Paul is talking about spiritual baptism.

I didn’t put this in my previous comment, but in Ephesians 2:8-9 it says: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. We are saved through faith, not baptism.

Hey, can I quote something my pastor wrote me about this verse?
“The verse in 1 Peter seems to explain itself. One problem that many who
read the Bible have is that they always jump to the conclusion that
whenever the Bible uses the word “saved” it refers to the eternal
salvation of a person’s soul. More often than not, that is not how the
biblical writers use the word. Here it is clear that Peter is telling
the people that baptism does not remove the dirt from the body, which
could be understood as simply washing the body if you follow the
translation that you have used [NIV]. However, in the Greek text the word is ‘flesh’ not ‘body.’ ‘Flesh’ is used in the Bible to sometimes refer to
the human body but also used many times to refer to a person’s inner
nature that is bent on sin. So then the idea would be that baptism does
nothing to remove the dirt of sin from a person’s inner life. Rather,
baptism “saves” a person from a guilty conscience, since baptism was
always recognized as that which a person did to openly proclaim their
faith in Christ and desire to follow Him.”
And also, take a look at this verse, “I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel–not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.” 1 Cor. 14-17. Just thought I’d throw that out there as something to think about. (Also notice how Paul makes a distinction between baptizing and the gospel)

I agree. I’ve found that website to be very helpful. I go to their website a lot!

Hey guys,
This is long after most people are talking on here, but I’ll dive in anyway (no pun intended!) So, here’s my situation:
I “officially” came to Christ when I was five or six, and I was baptized that summer. God didn’t really matter that much to me, and basically I believe that I *really* came to Christ two-and-a-half years ago. I’ve been thinking about being baptized again, because the first time… well, it seems kind of like “infant baptism,” where I didn’t really know what I was doing and I didn’t mean it. So guys, here’s the question: Would a second baptism make sense? Or does it not make sense at all? I was baptized, but I don’t believe I was baptized with a full understanding of what was happening, so is a re-baptism in order? I’m not trying to look super-spiritual (to you guys or to my church), but y’all got me thinking about that…

If you don’t answer, I’ll start tagging people!

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What are your thoughts on this?

I think that you should first of all, pray about it.
After that, here’s my two cents. I think that you should get baptized again. Because it really is a symbol of taking off the old self and putting on the new. In my opinion, it didn’t “count” before, because you warn’t really saved(?). Someone at my church got re-baptized a few months ago, and it wasn’t awkward or anything. Does that make sense?
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Hey mimeforJesus! I think it’s totally cool. My oldest sister was baptized at six years old I believe, and at the time she was saved, but when we transferred our church membership when she was eighteen years old she got re-baptized. My Aunt was also re-baptized a few days before her wedding. I think baptism means more to people if they are old enough to understand and grasp the full meaning of it. There is no shame in getting re-baptized. If you weren’t saved the first time, but you are now, I’d say go for it. Not only will it mean something to you this time around, but later on in life you’ll never have to wonder why you didn’t do it after you truly entered into salvation. There will be no regrets.

Context is essential if you ever want to quote something from the Bible. Many denominations have been formed unnecessarily by taking Scripture out of context. God used alot of parables in His teachings…There’s a lot of the Bible(like Proverbs) that you can’t apply without interpretation.

Your rambling did make sense 🙂 Thank you!

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1 Peter 3:21 does say that baptism saves us, but then it goes on to say that it doesn’t remove the flesh but it makes your conscience a good appeal. ” Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

I kind of feel the same way, I mean I was baptized at 7, but I don’t think I really knew God then. I feel like I really know him now, at 13.

It’s amazing how many people believe that you don’t need baptism
to be saved. It’s dumbfounding.

There may be circumstances where it’s impossible for a person to
be baptized before death even though they want to, a foxhole conversion for
example. We can have faith Jesus is just and righteous in those instances.

What about the person who chooses to not be baptized? What about
the person who says they are saved, yet they put off baptism for years or
decades? In truth only the Lord know whether they are saved or not.

Scripture says that Baptism is not just a “symbol”, it is not just a “public profession of your faith”, is
not it a “work” and no New Testament writer ever said the command to be
baptized (or any of Jesus’ commands) could be ignored.

I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t understand everything
that spiritual that happens in connection with baptism and I’m suspicious of
any person who says they have it all figured out.

I’ll also be the first to admit that I do not understand why
some things that are written in scripture, pertaining to baptism, are there. I
will only say they are there and we must believe them whether we understand
them fully or even if they completely contradict what we’ve been taught.

For example why was Paul told, “Get up, be baptized and wash
your sins away, calling on his name”? I’ve read the most frequent explanations,
but the fact is Paul was told to be baptized to wash away his sin. Like you, I
know our sins are washed away by Jesus’ blood on the cross. But here is one of
God’s prophet’s saying something else is involved. I don’t get it, but I
believe it.

Add to that what Peter said, “Repent and be baptized, every one
of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you
will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” I know on family got the Holy Spirit
prior to baptism and I know another place says, “…that everyone who believes in
him will receive forgiveness of sins…” I believe both verses say what they mean
so I believe we must believe, repent, and be baptized to be forgiven. That’s
just me. I’m not going to ignore or explain away one because I want to believe
the other.

So two known prophets of God say baptism is directly connected
to forgiveness and consequently salvation and then we have Paul.

Paul directly kills the idea that baptism is a symbol. He wrote,
“Or are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized
into his death? We were indeed buried with him through baptism into death, so
that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we
too might live in newness of life.”

He also wrote, “You were buried with him in baptism, in which
you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him
from the dead.”

He did not say we were symbolically buried, he made it plain and
clear that if we “indeed” were baptized we were buried and resurrected with
Christ. Look closely and you see that like the other two men, whom we know God
spoke through, Paul is saying that baptism has something to do with a life in
Christ or salvation (so that…we too might live in newness of life.”)

Again, I’m not saying that I understand those verses. All I’m
saying is that I believe them exactly as they are written, even if I don’t
understand them. I know this also, if I believe what’s written then I need to
stop believing baptism is just a symbol, a good deed or “works.”

Do I think baptism saves us? No? Do I think we can be saved if
we choose not to be baptized? There may some cases where a person can be saved,
only Jesus knows He is judge not me. However Jesus did teach that those who do
not repent and who choose to disobey Him won’t be saved that they’ll be thrown
“into a fire and they will be burned”.

Nicodemus didn’t completely understand being born again, but he
believed Jesus. I don’t completely understand baptism but I believe scripture
and I think many modern teachers don’t teach accurately about baptism. They
just don’t try to see that there is something spiritual going on at baptism. I’ve
made the choice to never say that any command that Jesus made isn’t necessary.
They are ALL necessary.

Jesus commands are not in the same class as the works that Paul
wrote about. Those “works” were the Old Covenant, Jesus’ commands are New Covenant.

Exactly, I get long winded in what I say but the bottom line is that if God (Jesus) commanded it then we need to do it if humanly possible.

One thing we need to remember about the thief is that God Himself (Jesus) granted that exception (if it was an exception). The thief may have been baptized or not and the fact is he was nailed to a cross and could not possibly be baptized. Only Jesus has the authority to grant exceptions to his commands. We were never granted the authority to anything except teach people they must be baptized, which faith alone doctrine does not teach.

Some teach that Romans 6:3-4 and Galatians 3:26-27 is not water baptism, but Spirit baptism.

To me it’s doubtful Paul was talking about Holy Spirit baptism. He wrote, “Or are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?” I think it makes sense that he would have written “Or are you unaware that we who were baptized with the Holy Spirit were baptized into Jesus’ death?”

Also, we don’t go into and out of the Holy Spirit when we’re baptized with Him. But in this passage Paul speaks about both and being raised from the dead, meaning going under then out of the water.

Right. It doesn’t save us though, Jesus saves us. It is necessary, though.

Right I would never say baptism saves us. But I would also never say we are saved by faith only. There are too many time in the New Testament that we are to believe and to obey. It’s not one or the other.

Prior to the 1500’s baptismal regeneration was taken for granted. Both Martin Luther and John Calvin taught it. Ryrie’s interpretations conflict with almost everything written about baptism by the Apostolic fathers and the Church fathers.

I may be wrong, of course, but I tend to put more confidence in those guys who were 1100 years closer to Jesus and the Apostles.

Well written Mis Anna

“Mark 16:15-16 “And He said unto them, ‘Go ye into all
the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be [condemned].'”
Notice that Jesus didn’t say, “He that is not baptized…shall be [condemned].”

Jesus said “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved…” but he didn’t say that anyone else would be saved. In other words, in this passage, the promise of salvation is only given for those who both believe and are baptized. Two
conditions. We can add many things he didn’t say and make conjecture, but the only fact is what he did say.

“Concerning Mark 16:16, Mark focuses on belief in this verse. He says at the end “whoever does not believe will be condemned.” He doesn’t say “whoever does not believe and is not baptized will be condemned.”

Shouldn’t we focus on what Jesus did say rather than speculating on meanings based on what he didn’t say?

He only made the promise of salvation to those who believe and are baptized.

Gotquestions comes from a narrowly focused doctrine and you need to understand that they may not be correct. We each need to search through scripture for the truth as God intended. Not saying those guys aren’t very knowledgable, but they do come from and stand point that has many inconsistencies.

That is a difficult question… I think of Romans 8:38-39, where Paul says nothing can separate us from the love of Christ. In some ways, even we can’t separate ourselves from Him (2 Tim 2:13 is an example of that). We only need Christ because we have disobeyed God’s commands. We only repent for the things we realize we did wrong; there is so much more that we don’t even realize! If He waited for us to repent of everything we’ve done that breaks His commands, none of us would get to Heaven. Just throwing that out there 🙂
(Re: 1) Jesus’ commands are important, and I agree that they are necessary to follow. However, His commands are impossible to follow; hence our need for salvation.
(Re: 2) I agree, that is entirely possible. I’m not sure how this affects our discussion – can you explain further, please?
(Re: 3) Again, fully obeying Him is impossible. And I already kind of answered in my explanation at the beginning.

I agree that we should do our best to obey Him; that’s no question in my mind.

Welcome to the Rebelution! Do you plan to hang around here?
You seem to be thinking this through thoroughly; I respect your views and how you stated them, even if I don’t agree entirely. Therefore, I’d be interested in your answer to a question I asked on here. If you’d like, here’s the link: http://therebelution.com/blog/2015/02/what-is-the-role-of-baptism-in-the-christian-life/#comment-1881774516 Look at the comment above the one it’ll take you to.

If I”m not being clear, go ahead and point it out; I don’t do very well putting my thoughts into words sometimes.

“I agree that we should do our best to obey Him; that’s no question in my mind.”

You hit the nail on the head. We must obey and we will fail. But he will offer grace when we choose to do our best and return to him.

First understand that throughout scripture every relationship the Lord has had with man is within a covenant. In other words (and I’m over simplifying big time) the Lord tells man do this and you’ll get this blessing. In the New Covenant (that what New Testament means) we are promised eternal life if we meet some conditions. Faith, repentance, baptism are the most obvious conditions. We cannot be saved by keeping just one condition.

I know there are verses that say believe and you’ll be saved. But I also know that we are always told to obey. We have to look at scripture as a whole, so if we are faithful to that simple concept we see that we must believe and obey. Or as the old song says “trust and obey for there’s no other way.”

When you were 5 or 6 you were baptized so you did keep that condition of the Covenant. But, I think only you know in your heart if you were persuaded to be baptized by the Holy Spirit or by an emotional plea from a preacher. Were you following God’s voice or did you make an emotional choice. Once you pray about that and think about it you’ll have your answer. Follow the voice of the Shepherd.

Okay 🙂 See you around? Have a great dinner!

I’m only fourteen, so I don’t pretend to have all the answers, however I’ve been doing a lot of research on this topic and talking with my pastor and reading theology books and searching the Bible so I can understand baptism more. In a comment bellow I answered Jake by saying that, in the Greek, the word baptism in Romans 6:3-4 really means “placed into”. Again, I don’t know Greek so I can’t just make this claim. My pastor does though, and I trust his interpretation.

Just out of curiosity, do you believe that Jesus’ perfect sacrifice wasn’t enough? You mentioned in another comment that you do not believe that either baptism or faith is enough to save us. Take this verse, “For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does no believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.” –John 3:16-18

Also Romans 1:17a “For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last…”
Ephesians 2:8 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves. it is the gift of God…”
These plainly states that we are saved through faith.If baptism was really a crucial part of salvation, I would think that these verses would mention it. But they don’t. Instead they say that it is only through faith–and Jesus sacrifice is what made it possible, not anything besides, “the gift of God”.

I’m sure you have many verses that you believe also prove your viewpoint, and if you’d like to mention them, I’d be glad to discuss them. Thank you for replying!

I hope you can agree with me that receiving the Holy Spirit occurs at salvation. Now think of that in light of Acts 11, the story of Peter and his visit to Cornelius’ house. These believers both spoke in tongues and were said to have received the Holy Spirit before they were baptized. Peter said, “Can any man forbid water, that these should be baptized, which have received the Holy Spirit as well as we?” Would you say that these were not saved until they had been baptized? Referring back to the Mark 16 passage, it says right after that verse that mentions baptism that “these signs shall follow them that believe; in My name shall they…speak with new tongues…” These new believers spoke in tongues before they were baptized.

Later in the book of Acts (ch 16) comes the story of Paul and the Philippian jailer. When the jailer asked Paul, “What must I do to be saved?”, Paul replied, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.” No mention of baptism as a requirement for salvation, although the jailer was baptized later.

I agree with you that Ryrie is not always 100% accurate, having found in his writings things that I do not think are biblically accurate.

On the manuscript issue: in the manuscripts that do not include Mark 16:9-20, there is a space on the page that is the exact size needed to copy in those verses. Therefore, in my comments I have assumed that they are indeed a legitimate part of the Scriptures.

However, know that Martin Luther, although he set in motion the debunking of the false doctrines held by the medieval Catholic Church, was by no means accurate about everything. In many ways, he was still basically Catholic in belief. Also, what does it matter that they were closer to Jesus and the Apostles in history? At all times in church history there have been men that were wrong. Neither contemporary writers or Calvin and Luther walked and talked with Jesus and the Apostles. I would be very interested in hearing where you get your statement, “Prior to the 1500’s baptismal regeneration was taken for granted.”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t that seem like a dodge? Jake Doberenz made the claim that God demands baptism for salvation. I pointed out that the thief went to heaven without baptism.

An exception to the rule is not a viable choice here. This wouldn’t be an exception. This would be a contradiction. If Jesus said that no one can enter heaven without baptism, turned around, and let someone into heaven without baptism, what part of that doesn’t seem like a contradicton?

You can label it an “exception” if you want, but if my coach tells me that no one can leave until they do 100 pushups, then turns around and let’s me leave after doing 10, he is a liar. Saying that he just made an exception doesn’t make sense. He contradicted himself. You can’t have it both ways. Either everyone must be baptized to enter heaven, or not. You can’t say everyone, then turn around and exempt someone from the principle, and then claim it’s consistent.

Now, unless I miss my guess, your counter to this will be that God is God, so he can make an exception if he wants. However, Hebrews 6:18 says that God cannot lie. So, I’m going to lay this out as plainly as I can.

1. God cannot lie.
2. God says anyone who enters heaven must be baptized.
3. God allows thief to enter heaven unbaptized.

What then is the logical conclusion? I only see three. 1.) We misunderstood the verse declaring baptism necessary for salvation (the stance I hold to). 2.) God lied (something I think we both agree is impossible. 3.) The thief was baptized some time previous to his crucifixion and belief in Jesus, something I consider unlikely in the extreme.

My point is this: you can’t have it both ways. You’re the second person on here to say that God just made an exception in this case. Does that sound like the God of the Bible? “This is true in every single case, every single time”, then turn around, and break the statement. That doesn’t sound like the God of the Bible.

Your last statement is a little confusing. In Matt. 28, we’re commanded to make disciples, baptizing them and teaching them to observe all that Jesus commanded us to do. That is a lot more than just baptism.

Lastly, faith alone doctrine does teach baptism. It is necessary as is any other command of Scripture. But it is not what your salvation hinges upon.

The new covenant was sealed when Christ rose from the dead. Before then, He was still operating in a “kingdom” mentality. If Israel had accepted their Messiah, God’s kingdom on earth could have come immediately. In the early chapters of Acts, the apostles were still operating in this frame of mind but it quickly became obvious that Israel had rejected the kingdom and thus it was postponed. (Of course, this fit with God’s plan; while we have free will, He is still never surprised by our choices. Don’t ask me how that works; it’s a question I will not fully understand the answer to in this life time and hope to ask Jesus in the next, if I am thinking of such things then.) Both the reference to Nicodemus and the reference to those who do not repent being thrown into the fire to be burned take place while Jesus had this “kingdom mentality”.

~AnnaGrace

Taylor I have the same problem with seeming to be angry when I’m just passionate. My brother you have no worries with me. Thank you for your honest response.

You are assuming a reason that Paul used the word works, but we shouldn’t and need not assume when the context is so self-explanatory.

Paul used works almost exclusively in reference to circumcision, but not always. Look at the context. Paul in a fight with Jews who wanted to marry the Law of Moses with the New Covenant of Christ and teach new converts the keeping the Law of Moses was mandatory. He was convincing new Jewish converter and gentile converts of the fact that salvation couldn’t be earn by Law keeping.

To the Jews of that time there was no relationship with the Lord. There was only a set of rules (that they added to and made impossible to keep) that had to be kept. Jesus came and taught that our relationship is to be founded upon love. Love in this case is not an emotion it’s action. We do what we do because we love him not to earn salvation like we earn a grade.

When we say we are saved by faith alone, then we say love and the actions it requires isn’t present or needed. But only those who love God will be saved. I can believe what I want, but in the end if I don’t love God and keep His covenant I will not be saved. He MUST be my Lord in order to be my Savior.

Will finish later. Till then God Bless.

God is unchanging but His methods of dealing with man through the ages (though not salvation) have changed. If you hadn’t figured out through my other comments, I look at the Bible in a dispensational sense. The Mosaic covenant and its promises to Israel were not fully fulfilled. That dispensation was not fully realized; we are now in the next dispensation (variously known as the Church Age and the Times of the Gentiles) but when the Lord returns and removes His church He will then fulfill His promises to Israel fully, when the great majority of Israel turns to Him and obeys Him (the Mosaic covenant is conditional). Hope this explains things; I guess I wasn’t very clear in my last comment.

~AnnaGrace

Alright, let me see if I can write a little more clearly.

1. Agreed. They only become works when our attitude in them is to gain salvation through them. Many people tithe in order to be “good enough” to get to heaven. It doesn’t make tithing a work. It simply make tithing with that attitude a work.

2. Absolutely not. James is very clear that if we believe in Jesus, then works will follow. But the works will be done out of love for Jesus, not a desire to gain salvation. I think that’s where I probably wasn’t clear in my other comment.

Works are necessary! If we don’t have works, we aren’t truly saved. Salvation is gained wholly through grace by faith. However, if we claim to have faith, yet do not love each other or obey Jesus’ commandments, we don’t have faith! We lie and the truth is not in us!

3. “We must obey Jesus to be saved”. I think I may take a moment to explain my view, since it might help us relate better what the other means. When I accepted Christ, I completely surrendered my life to him, placing every iota of confidence in His work on the cross and in His Son. I still had none of the works to back it up that day, but I believe that Scripturally, I was saved. If I’d died that day, I would have gone to heaven.

Now, if I came home and acted the same as I did before, that’s a sign I wasn’t truly saved. I prayed a sinner’s prayer when I was five, but my life didn’t reflect a change in attitude or behavior, which makes me think I was not actually saved then.

Salvation itself comes by faith, by accepting Jesus’ finished work on the cross. However, if it doesn’t include works, it is not true faith. It’s a copycat replica, hypocrisy.

My statement is that baptism is necessary, just as any other commandment of Scripture. But I also know that I have failed to keep all the commandments too. Oh, I know my own heart too well to think that! I have been angry, I have not loved perfectly, etc. The list could go on and on.

But that’s why God imparted His righteousness to me as His child, because I’m not perfect. No, it’s not an excuse to quit trying to keep His commands, but it is a statement of fact.

You and I cannot keep the commands of Christ perfectly. We have both failed to keep points too, and if we have broken one point of the law, we have broken them all. So, at some point, we still disobey Christ, because I’m not sinless yet.

My pastor just yesterday used the analogy of a video camera. If you follow a Christian and get a picture of him, you may get the wrong idea of a Christian. You may have a picture of him losing his temper with his wife, and thus say that he’s probably not saved. But if you have the video camera, you can see that after that angery explosion with his wife, a Christian will feel guilty, and compelled to repent.

By the way, I like your last sentence! I’ll have to remember that for the future. Lastly, thank you for taking the time to talk to me. It’s helping me to look at the Bible in ways that are not necessarily comfortable to me, but necessary!

Thanks for the imput. Sometimes the comments don’t seem clear as to whether we’re arguing for baptism period, or baptism for salvation, so thanks for the clarification!

If your coach punish you for leaving injured in an ambulance was he reasonable or not? Was he merciful? Did he extend grace?

That thief had no opportunity to be baptized (that we can prove or he may have been baptized), he could come down off the cross to be baptized, so this is an example of grace. If Jesus was as unbending as you seem to be saying I doubt he’s have gone to the cross at all. I’ll let Jake give his own opinion, but if it’s as stringent as you seem to think then I would suggest a study in grace for him.

“Lastly, faith alone doctrine does teach baptism. It is necessary as is any other command of Scripture. But it is not what your salvation hinges upon.”

It’s not necessary if it has nothing to do with salvation. But if you disobeyed Jesus isn’t that sin? And how do you repent of not being baptized? Can you be saved if you refuse to repent?

That’s the simplest way to look at it but Jake pointed out other facts about baptism. (Becoming a member of the body of Christ, etc.)

Thanks for you insights and remarks.

I think you’re missing my point. It doesn’t have to be complicated. If God says everyone must be baptized to be saved (as Jake claimed), then turns and allows a man into heaven unbaptized, God did not keep His word. He lied, He contradicted himself, call it what you will. That is not the God.

I do not consider God unbending. But I don’t know how you believe anything He says if you think it possible that He says one thing, does another, and calls that grace. The grace of God shown on the cross is completely consistent with the nature of God. Contradicting Himself is not.

One story of the OT that always struck me was the story of Uzzah. God said no one was to touch the Ark. Uzzah touched it, with probably righteous motives or just reflex, but he touched it. A second later, he was dead. Why?

Because God keeps His word. I realize that the NT doesn’t include many (if any) examples of similar accounts. However, we see God stay strictly true to what He said, even if it seems more just in our human senses for Him to just tell Uzzah, “Hey, I understand. You probably didn’t even think about it.”

There’s a punishment for sin. God doesn’t look at us and say, “Well, I understand it’s just your flesh. We’ll let this one slide.” No, God demands justice. That’s why His Son had to die. If God says it requires blood to forgive sin, it requires blood, every single time. If God says it requires baptism for forgiveness of sins, it requires baptism, every single time.

God doesn’t usually deal with exceptions. What you consider an exception I consider a contradiction.

I too doubt that Jake is as stringent as that. But this is the only conversation I’ve ever had with him, so I can’t tell his thoughts. I can only deal with what’s been written. He claimed you must be baptized to be saved. That’s what I’ve attempted to deal with.

If I ever was able to speak in person to you or Jake, I’m sure we could communicate our thoughts much better, and we could both get an idea as to the ideas and attitudes of the other guy. Unfortunately, that’s not possible. I have to simply deal with what’s been written. I’m responding to Jake’s comment, “1 Pet. 3:21 says baptism saves. Read it.” That statement implies that he thinks baptism saves, and without baptism, none are saved. If baptism is what saves, those without it are not saved.

“An example of an unconditional covenant is the Abrahamic covenant. Abraham did absolutely nothing to receive God’s promise of land, seed, and blessing. ”

That’s commonly taught but I believe it to be incorrect. I’ll keep it short and you can use Genesis 12 to fact check me.

(starts in 12:1)
“ Now the Lord said to Abram,
‘Go forth from your country,
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house,
To the land which I will show you;
And I will make you a great nation,
And I will bless you,
And make your name great;
And so you shall be a blessing;
And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.’”

The first condition was ‘Go forth from your country…”

Let’s go to verse 5 “Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his nephew, and all their possessions which they had accumulated, and the persons which they had acquired in Haran, and they set out for the land of Canaan; thus they came to the land of Canaan.”

When Abram got to where he was supposed to go the Lord told him, “To your descendants I will give this land.” We can see the condition was met and the blessing was given.

2nd condition
Go forth…
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house

Abrams was not supposed to take Lot.(Go forth…And from your relatives)

After they separated (Genesis 13) that condition was met. What happened then?

The promise was kept.
13:14 The Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him, “Lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward, 15 for all the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring forever. 16 I will make your offspring as the dust of the earth, so that if one can count the dust of the earth, your offspring also can be counted. 17 Arise, walk through the length and the breadth of the land, for I will give it to you.”

There’s more but you’ll begin to see it as you search for it. But I think you see my point.

Thanks for the great points and challenges!

Lol really? Hmm…I don’t know if that’s good or bad…:)

I could have said that better. I did not mean that ‘arise’ should be connected, just that it is a series and does not necessarily connect baptism with the washing away of sins. And I don’t think I am ignoring the rest of the Scriptures, but enough from me.

This will be my last comment on this thread–with the exception of replying to something I was tagged in. Thank you for your time; I know what you mean about coming across harsher online and I apologize if the way I have answered you has seemed antagonistic and not God-honoring. It’s been good to have a discussion with a brother in Christ and I hope I get to meet you and all the other people who comment on here someday in glory!

~AnnaGrace

“I think you’re missing my point. It doesn’t have to be complicated. If
God says everyone must be baptized to be saved (as Jake claimed), then turns and allows a man into heaven unbaptized, God did not keep His word.”

Well that’s true then aren’t there other times God didn’t keep his word?

The Pharisees brought the adulteress to Jesus and asked him what to do. He shamed them and gave her mercy. What did the Law say? ““‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.”

So Jesus didn’t keep his own law. If he had kept the Law he would have had the Pharisees go get the man and then have both man and woman stoned to death. But he chose to be merciful. They were guilty yet he did not do what the law required.

The lady with the unclean flow who touched Jesus robed and was healed was supposed to go sacrifice doves. Jesus did not require it and he told her “Go in peace and be cured of your affliction.”

BTW I keep saying mercy and I should define it. The lady was guilty but punishment was withheld. We see this throughout scripture even if some of my examples weren’t good ones. And perhaps I shouldn’t have used the word exceptions it over complicated things and didn’t really define what I wanted to communicate.

The thief on the cross wasn’t baptized (that we know of)yet he was granted salvation and was forgiven. That’s mercy.

I don’t think one has said that Baptism alone saves, even though Peter said it does. The New Testament says several things save other than belief.

“You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
” Your faith has saved you; go in peace.””
“And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.”
“By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you.”
“But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
“Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.”

We can’t say only faith saves us when we see in scripture that enduring persecution, baptism, holding firmly to the word, and being holy are all said to be involved in salvation. It’s not one thing alone that saves us, it’s the culmination of what we believe and how we choose to respond to scripture.

“but do you not think it odd that Paul in his letter to the Romans never mentions baptism in his explanation of the gospel?”

He does mention it in Romans 6.

I don’t find it strange anyway. I look at his purpose and wonder if he would mention it. He wasn’t really giving a step by step road map of salvation, he was contrasting Judaism with Christianity. He explain in 3 that we are “justified by faith apart from the works of the law.” (Now keep in mind the context. He is speaking directly about circumcision, we can’t apply those words to baptism or any other of Jesus’ commands. Context matters quite a bit.)

Chapter 6 is a part of that discussion and there Paul wrote about being baptized into Christ and also baptisms relationship to being born again. “We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”

I know the question has been raised if this was the baptism of the Spirit or water baptism. Here are my thoughts. Romans 6:3-4 and make it clear that the baptism of these passages involves both an immersion in “something,” and a “being raised” from the same substance. In my opinion that only makes sense if water baptism is the subject.

On the other hand, if it’s the“Spirit” baptism it seems it would suggest that one is buried in the Spirit, and subsequently “raised
from” the Spirit. That seems to imply that those baptized with the Spirit would not be kept by the Spirit, and therefore, would not belong to the Lord. By default, it must be water baptism.

Eva I praise God that you are searching for the truth. The most important advice I can is that you get a book called “How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth” by Gordon D. Fee and Douglas Stuart.

The second bit of advice I would give is, don’t decide what you believe and then make the Bible fit in that box.

Pray and fast about most things that are important.

We can’t decide what we believe based on a few verses that agree with us. We have to interpret everything within the context that it’s written and we need to understand who it was written to and why it was written.

His sacrifice is definitely sufficient. But, Jesus also said “If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.”

That doesn’t mean we lose salvation whenever we sin, because He forgives us when we repent and begin to obey Him. He said we must be baptized. Period. I we love Him we’ll obey Him and remain in his love.

The Bible teaches us to obey and believe. The author of Hebrews wrote “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left…”
His sacrifice and His grace doesn’t give us free reign to disobey and sin.

You are right,it is mentioned in Romans 6, and I stand corrected. I was not thinking of that instance (Romans 6:3-4). Thanks for the reminder. 🙂

~AnnaGrace

Anna I really do appreciate you and your intelligent comments. Thanks for choosing to be like Him.

I will definitely check out that book. Thanks for the suggestion:)
I know that a lot of kids believe everything their parents teach them on religion without explanation, and then are not sure how to defend their faith later. I truly think I understand baptism more than I ever have during these discussions. You definitely give me a lot to think about. Thank you for challenging my faith so that I can grow stronger.
And I completely agree that we should obey and believe. I don’t take obeying lightly, that is why I too have been baptized and continue to work hard on becoming more like Christ, as He commanded me too. And no we should not disobey anything God commanded us to do. As Paul says, “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!” But we still do disobey sometimes, and that is why Jesus died and rose again. No, I do not believe that we have free reign to disobey, even in His grace. I very much agree with you.

Thank you!

Hey Chris I hope all is well with you today.

(please forgive me for writing a book)
Here is the basis for my thoughts on not only Baptism, but all obedience to what Jesus taught.

First a little history

A guy named Augustine of Hippo had a huge amount of influence on the 13-14 century teachers (Reformation teachers/writers) and Catholics. He popped up around about 400 AD, and he was a convert from Manichaeism, Stoicism and other Greek religions and philosophies. When he became a Christian he combined aspects of each of the Greek philosophies with Christianity.

Many of today’s doctrines can be traced back to Augustine, but can’t really be found in what the credible Christian writers before him wrote. One scholar wrote “The main features of Calvin’s theology (note: the basis for Baptist and most other denominational doctrine) are found in the writings of St. Augustine to such an extent that many theologians regard Calvinism as a more fully developed form of Augustinianism.” This was coming from a guy who would agree with many denominational doctrines.

That’s why think denominational must be scrutinized very closely and why I’m trying to understand the Bible without those outside influences. I believe we need to do our best to see how the 1st century Jews understood what Jesus and the Apostles taught rather than what a writer in 1500 decided based on several influences not from scripture.

So then, Jesus and the Apostles taught from the Old Testament so we know that every bit of Christian doctrine can be found there. One important thing to see is that in the Old Testament the Lord used covenants as a means to having relationships with mankind. The New Testament is our New Covenant. If we study the OT carefully and compare it to the NT we can see things similarities in them, concerning covenants.

Here are just a couple scriptures to show you where I’m coming from, so you can see I’m not completely off my rocker. J Compare these scriptures.

I will make you descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws (Gen. 26:4).

“I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments…” (Ex 20:5).

As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. If you obey my commands you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in His love. I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you (Jn 15:9-14).

In all three passages we can see that the privilege of being loved and blessed by the Lord is dependent upon us meeting the obligations of the covenant.

We enter the New Covenant by faith that the Lord will keep his Word. But there are conditions in the New Covenant that we MUST keep. We must have faith and then continue to have faith (Romans 3:21-23), we must be baptized, we must repent and continue to repent(Acts 2:38,Acts 3:19), we must confess and keep confessing that Jesus is Lord, and we must always obey the Lord (John 15:10,Romans 6:16). When we fail to to any of these we must ask forgiveness, repent and then resume keeping the covenant (Psalm 103), if we do the promise is that we’ll be forgiven. If we continue to the end we’ll be saved.(Matthew 24:13,Mark 13:13)

(I also apologize for not being able to keep things short.)

In Mark 16:16, only two conditions of the plan of redemption (the New Covenant) are mentioned — belief and baptism. They don’t represent all that’s required, for example there is no reference to repentance. Repentance clearly is a prerequisite for redemption (Lk. 13:3,5; Acts 2:38; 17:30). The “good confession” (1 Tim. 6:11-13) isn’t included either and it is combined with belief in Romans (Rom. 10:9-10). Obedience isn’t mentioned either (John 15:10).

It’s common for the New Testament writer to occasionally emphasize certain conditions relating to salvation, without citing all the requirements (cf. Jn.3:16; Acts 17:30; 1 Pet. 3:21).

Scripture says “believe and be saved” in one place and in another it says “one confesses with the mouth and so is saved.” Those verses do not contradict each other. We don’t either believe or confess to be saved, we must believe and make the confession to be saved.

The same is true for Mark 16:16 those are two conditions that must be met.

Wow, we are similar!
Thank you for your opinion 😀

It was only about a year ago that I more fully understood what baptism is and its significance in a believer’s life. I’ll try to explain it here, but if you like you may want to listen to this sermon by Pastor Eric Ludy called The Position of Victory. http://ellerslie.com/sermons/eric-ludy/10-26-14/the-position-of-victory
This sermon’s focus is not baptism, but I think it explains the meaning of baptism.

Romans 6 makes it pretty clear that we as believers have been baptized or immersed into Christ. Our position is IN Christ. His death is our death, His burial is our burial, His resurrection is our resurrection, His ascension is our ascension. We are now seated in the heavenly places in Him and all things are under our feet IN Him. These are pretty incredible truths and they have changed my life. Baptism is the outward confession of these truths. Being dipped under water is picture of our identification with Christ’s death – that we indeed reckon our old man dead. Being raised from the water is a picture of our resurrection in the newness of the life of Christ.

So how important is baptism in the life of a Christian? While I don’t believe that you must be baptized to be saved, I do believe that if you are truly saved, and if you truly understand what it means to be in Christ and have reckoned yourself dead to sin and alive to dead, then you will want to be baptized and nothing will stop you. And I do believe that baptism is important because it is a public confession of your identification with Jesus Christ. And there is such joy in doing it.

Welcome to TheRebelution!

You are commanded in the bible to be baptized as a believer. It may be frightening! But so is witnessing to people… 🙂

Your pastor’s quote if good, but I modified it a tad: “it’s an outward expression of your inward change”
🙂

Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
(Acts 8:35-38 ESV)

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Welcome to the Rebelution!

Hello. Thanks for responding. When I get around to it I’ll probably talk about water and Holy Ghost Baptism. I’ve known about the Rebelution for the last couple of years but haven’t been able to keep up with the blog posts. Plus, I just recently joined Disqus, so now I am able to comment. I love “Lies Young Women Believe!!” I’ve been encouraged. Check it out sometime. I have the book Lies Young Women Believe, but haven’t read it yet.

Not if you don’t want it to be!

Hi there! People have already answered, but Ethan tagged me so I’ll answer too…
I don’t have anxiety problems, so I don’t really know what it’s like, but from what I’ve found, God calls us to face our fears. This is a Hard Thing for you; for others their Hard Thing is something different.
I’ll be praying for you, I can say that; I don’t know what else to tell you, except…
Welcome to the Rebelution!

Baptism is the symbol that you are going public with your salvation. It is saying that you are giving up your sinful ways and you are going to follow God.

Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html

The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.

Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.

http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV

In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32

“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.

http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32

God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no

need to sacrifice…

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song

of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,

and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets

include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say

that your faith is same as a Muslim..

AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet

Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..

AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven

recently thru modern science…

Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and

he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…

Sharing links :

https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/

http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62

http://www.quranmiracles.com

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/

http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/

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Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html

The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.

Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.

http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV

In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32

“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.

http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32

God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no

need to sacrifice…

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song

of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,

and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets

include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say

that your faith is same as a Muslim..

AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet

Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..

AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven

recently thru modern science…

Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and

he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…

Sharing links :

https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/

http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62

http://www.quranmiracles.com

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/

http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/

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Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html

The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.

Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.

http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV

In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32

“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.

http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32

God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no

need to sacrifice…

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song

of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,

and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets

include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say

that your faith is same as a Muslim..

AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet

Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..

AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven

recently thru modern science…

Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and

he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…

Sharing links :

https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/

http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62

http://www.quranmiracles.com

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/

http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html

The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.

Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.

http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV

In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32

“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.

http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32

God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no

need to sacrifice…

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song

of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,

and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets

include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say

that your faith is same as a Muslim..

AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet

Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..

AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven

recently thru modern science…

Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and

he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…

Sharing links :

https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/

http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62

http://www.quranmiracles.com

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/

http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/

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Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html

The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.

Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.

http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV

In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32

“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.

http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32

God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no

need to sacrifice…

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song

of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,

and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets

include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say

that your faith is same as a Muslim..

AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet

Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..

AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven

recently thru modern science…

Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and

he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…

Sharing links :

https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/

http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62

http://www.quranmiracles.com

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/

http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/

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Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html

The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.

Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.

http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV

In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32

“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.

http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32

God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no

need to sacrifice…

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song

of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,

and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets

include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say

that your faith is same as a Muslim..

AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet

Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..

AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven

recently thru modern science…

Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and

he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…

Sharing links :

https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/

http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62

http://www.quranmiracles.com

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/

http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/

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Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html

The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.

Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.

http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV

In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32

“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32

God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no

need to sacrifice…

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..

AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet

Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..

AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…

Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…

Sharing links :

https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/

http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62

http://www.quranmiracles.com

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/

http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/

The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.

http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm

Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.

Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”

“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).

In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.

In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.

Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners

http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.

Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html

The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.

Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.

http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV

In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32

“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32

God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no

need to sacrifice…

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..

AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet

Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..

AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…

Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…

Sharing links :

https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/

http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62

http://www.quranmiracles.com

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/

http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/

The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.

http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm

Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.

Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”

“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).

In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.

In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.

Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners

http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
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Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html

The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.

Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.

http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV

In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32

“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32

God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no

need to sacrifice…

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..

AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet

Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..

AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…

Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…

Sharing links :

https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/

http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62

http://www.quranmiracles.com

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/

http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/

The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.

http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm

Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.

Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”

“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).

In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.

In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.

Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners

http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
4

Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html

The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.

Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.

http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV

In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32

“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32

God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no

need to sacrifice…

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..

AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet

Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..

AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…

Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…

Sharing links :

https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/

http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62

http://www.quranmiracles.com

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/

http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/

The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.

http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm

Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.

Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”

“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).

In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.

In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.

Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners

http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
6

Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html

The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.

Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.

http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV

In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32

“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32

God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no

need to sacrifice…

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..

AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet

Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..

AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…

Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…

Sharing links :

https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/

http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62

http://www.quranmiracles.com

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/

http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/

The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.

http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm

Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.

Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”

“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).

In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.

In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.

Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners

http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
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First of all, your Bible isn’t older than the English Bible. It’s merely older than the English translation of the Bible. And yes, in the Arabic language, Allah doesn’t refer to another God. It’s merely the Arabic translation of the English word “God.” And Song of Solomon was copied by Mohamed and he put his name in it. Seeing how the Greek Bible predates the AlQuran by centuries. God is not man. That’s very true. He never has been. But Jesus, God’s son, was man in human flesh, if only for a brief time. And Numbers 23:19 obviously wasn’t talking about Jesus because Jesus hadn’t come to earth yet. And Leviticus 11:7 was talking to the Jews and to them alone. That verse wasn’t addressed to Gentiles. And Luke 1:15 is good. True. And Christians don’t believe that you can get to Heaven by works. And a lot of Muslims do. We believe, as stated in Ephesians 2:9,9 KJV Bible “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

Thanks for sharing your belief system with us.

What type of Islam do you affiliate yourself with?

Allah is an Egyptian moon god (hence the crecscent moon). Yehweh is the Lord of lords and the King of kings. Allah is a false god. Salvation can only be found through faith in Christ, Jesus the son of God. You have been misled and you must repent. You have now been warned and you must repent before you bow before the Lord Jesus to be judged. Cry out to Jesus and be saved.

“Allah is found . . . in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam” (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)

“The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah” (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302)

“Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities” (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)

“Ilah . . . appears in pre-Islamic poetry . . . By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry” (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1971, III:1093)

“The name Allah goes back before Muhammed” (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, “The Facts on File”, ed. Anthony Mercatante, New York, 1983, I:41)

The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning “God” (or a “god”), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity” (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1908, I:326)

Scholar Henry Preserved Smith of Harvard University stated:

“Allah was already known by name to the Arabs” (The Bible and Islam: or, the Influence of the Old and New Testament on the Religion of Mohammed, New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1897, p.102)

Dr. Kenneth Cragg, former editor of the prestigious scholarly journal Muslim World and an outstanding modern Western Islamic scholar, whose works were generally published by Oxford University, comments:

The name Allah is also evident in archaeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic Arabia” (The Call of the Minaret, New York: OUP, 1956, p. 31).

Dr. W. Montgomery Watt, who was Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies at Edinburgh University and Visiting Professor of Islamic Studies at College de France, Georgetown University, and the University of Toronto, has done extensive work on the pre-Islamic concept of Allah. He concludes:

“In recent years I have become increasingly convinced that for an adequate understanding of the career of Muhammad and the origins of Islam great importance must be attached to the existence in Mecca of belief in Allah as a “high god”. In a sense this is a form of paganism, but it is so different from paganism as commonly understood that it deserves separate treatment” (Mohammad’s Mecca, p.vii. See also his article, “Belief in a High God in pre-Islamic Mecca”, Journal of Scientific Semitic Studies, vol.16, 1971, pp.35-40)

Caesar Farah in his book on Islam concludes his discussion of the pre-Islamic meaning of Allah by saying:

“There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews” (Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York: Barrons, 1987, p.28)

Song of Solomon 5:16? The original language is Hebrew and Mohammad’s name is never mentioned, ever. The original word is מַחְמַד which means desire, desirable thing. The word is used 12 time in the Old testament and it never means Mohammad.

New International Version
His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem.

New Living Translation
His mouth is sweetness itself; he is desirable in every way. Such, O women of Jerusalem, is my lover, my friend.

English Standard Version
His mouth is most sweet, and he is altogether desirable. This is my beloved and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.

New American Standard Bible
“His mouth is full of sweetness. And he is wholly desirable. This is my beloved and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

King James Bible
His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This ismy beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
His mouth is sweetness. He is absolutely desirable. This is my love, and this is my friend, young women of Jerusalem.

Hi MohdAli, Sorry for my delay in responding to this. In answering you I will put your words in quotes and my answers underneath.

“Bible and AlQuran has many similarities…In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is called Allah.”

However, if you read the Bible and compare it to the Quran, you will soon find that our God is very different from yours. The Arabic word for God is indeed “Allah”. However, the word “Allah” was commonly used by Jews and Christians–before Islam existed–for God. Islam, in a sense, borrowed the term and used it for their god. That is great that you have access to the Bible, and I hope you will read it with an open heart.

“The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because
English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.”

What difference does it make, since they are both translations? If we English-speaking Christians have a problem understanding a passage of the Bible, in our study of it we often refer back to the original languages in which it was written. Both translations are based on manuscripts in the original languages.

“God is not a man…
-Numbers 23:19-20 ‘God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do it? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?’
-Ezekiel 18:20-32“The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
‘But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he
has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.’

-God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time…God no need to sacrifice.”

At that time in history, no, God had not yet revealed Himself as a man. But in the person of Jesus, He became a man. You believe that Jesus was only a prophet and that it is heresy to believe that a man is equal to God. But it is backwards. A man did not become God; God became a man. John 1:14 says, “The Word [Jesus] became flesh, and dwelt among us.”

It is true that you or I cannot bear the punishment for the sins of another person. We are also sinful. In the Old Testament, which you reference (Numbers&Ezekiel), only a perfect lamb could be sacrificed to God for sins. This was a picture of what Jesus did when He died on the cross. If the lamb had one imperfection, it could not be used for the sacrifice. So it is with Jesus. He was God, so He was perfect. He became a man so that He could take our punishment. He was an acceptable sacrifice because He had no sin, no imperfection. This is Christians’ view of Jesus. You see it is very different from what you believe about Him.
You say that God is allpowerful and can forgive anyone’s sins at any time, that God does not need a sacrifice. But God is not only merciful, He is also just. He shows mercy in forgiving, but something must satisfy His wrath against sin. Jesus’s sacrifice did that. A sacrifice was needed.

None of us, no matter whether we turn from our sins or not, can keep all of the statutes and commands of God perfectly. It is impossible. We have no hope of ever satisfying His wrath. But He loved us too much to just let us die in our sins. He Himself, Jesus Christ, became a man and died for our sins. Then, three days after He died, Jesus came to life again and conquered death forever. You cannot earn it–it was a gift. He died to pay for your sins. And He lives today. None of the prophets did this–they all foretold Him. They have all died and are with God. Even Muhammad, whom you consider a prophet, has died. He does not live. I noticed you put a list of websites at the bottom of your comment. You did research. Do some research on the resurrection of Jesus. It is historical fact. He came back to life. Even secular sources from the time do not deny it. Even the Jewish religious leaders of His day did not deny it.

If you are willing to hear, listen to us who are talking to you on this site. Jesus did not only take the punishment for sin for Christians. He did it also for YOU! If you will only believe Him and trust in His sacrifice for you, you can know with absolute certainty that you belong to God and you will go to heaven to be with Him when you die. This is another big difference between Christians and Islam. You go through your life always wondering if you will be good enough to earn Allah’s favor. I do not have to worry about that. You can be sure too, if you will only believe. Anyone who is on this site will explain to you, if you are interested. I hope and pray that you are.

One last thing…
You said that Song of Solomon mentions Muhammad.
It is true that the Hebrew word is pronounced Muhammad. It means “altogether lovely”. However, it was common back then to name people using the word that meant the same thing. In 1 Chronicles, Jabez’s mother named him Jabez because she had a difficult labor and “Jabez” means “pain” in Hebrew. Do we say that the Bible is talking about Jabez every time we see the Hebrew word for pain in the text? No. In Song of Solomon, the bride is praising her groom and describing him. She is not saying he is Muhammad. That is taking the verse out of context.

I just noticed that you have put this under almost every comment on this post. That’s not very nice of you. I hope you are willing to listen, since you could end up with a lot of answers to your comments. You are welcome to reply, but please do not spam this blog like you have done on this thread.

I am praying for you, wherever you are in the world, that you will see the truth and trust Jesus as your Savior. There is no one who has gone so far that they cannot be saved, not even you. Sorry this comment is so long.

~AnnaGrace

90 Verses in the Bible say Jesus is not God

Compiled by TMAI

All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed
are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”

The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense.
Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant
‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.

Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we
read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.

Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.

Additional problems with Trinity

To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man.
This is expressed in the verse:

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.

‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)

Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of
biblical prophecy.

Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?

Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh?
During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings?
If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be
impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)

Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?

Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.

Bible says that God is not man

‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)

‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible

‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)

The Bible says that God is not a son of man

‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)

The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’

‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)

‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)

‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)

‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)

‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)

In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times
speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17;
144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).

Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He
is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.

The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God

Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke
18:19)

And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is
good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)

Jesus did not teach people that he was God

If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.

The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus

‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)

‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)

Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him.
The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.

Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him

‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever
you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)

‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)

If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for
himself

Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.

Jesus worshipped the only true God

‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)

‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)

‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)

How did Jesus pray to God?

‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)

‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up
prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)

Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?

Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?

The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of
the Only True God:

“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship
Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)

Disciples did not believe Jesus was God

The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:

‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a
man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18)

‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)

‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)

When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said

‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)

The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded
by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.

‘they raised their voices together in prayer to
God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)

‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)

‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)

‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)

The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant

‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.

The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by
himself

‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father
doing.’ (John 5:19)

‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)

The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal
with God and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:

‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and
glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)

‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders
and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘he went about doing good and healing all who were
oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)

If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus
did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.

Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles

One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).

Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding.
The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:

‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from
him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark 5:30)

‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands
on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)

Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be
God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.

The Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus

God ,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.

‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened
him – in the garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)

‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and
began to minister to Him’ (Mark. 1:13)

‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by
Satan; and he was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’ (Mark 1:13)

The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done

‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)

‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent
me.’ (John 5:30)

‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)

Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and
less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills
(‘I do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the others’
commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have the exact same will?

The Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two

‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John 8:17-18:)

‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust
also in me.’ (John 14:1)

If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s
testimony as separate from his own.

The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God

‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)

‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made
subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28)

Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning

But God is All Wise & does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.’ (Psalms 147:5)

‘And Jesus increased in wisdom.’ (Luke 2:52)

God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although
he was a son, he learned obedience’ (Heb. 5:8)

Jesus had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is
infinite. Since Jesus did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.

‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.’ (Mark 13:32)

Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be
tempted

’tempted in every way – just as we are’ (Heb. 4:15)

‘for God cannot be tempted by evil’ (James 1:13)

Since God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.

Bible says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from
himself

‘So Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.’ (John 7:16)

Jesus could not have said this if he were God because the
doctrine would have been his.

Bible says that Jesus died, but God cannot die

The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term applies only to God.

Bible says that Jesus lived because of God

‘I live because of the Father.’ (John 6:57)

Jesus cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.

Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him

‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)

God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be God.

Bible says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God

‘As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John 8:28)

‘The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’ (John 12:49)

‘I have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John 15:10)

No one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing
and would owe His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the commander and the commanded are not one.

Bible says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!

‘God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts 2:36)

‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are called ‘Lord.’ For example:

1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)

2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)

3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)

4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)

5) a son called his father Lord (Matt.21:30)

6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)

7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)

‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word
is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was ‘made’ Lord would make no sense.

Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels

‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)

God, the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own
creation, but Jesus was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.

Bible says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’

‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46)

‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)

‘the temple of my God the name of my God the city of my
God comes down out of heaven from my God.’ (Rev. 3:12)

Jesus did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God
is the same as ours.

Bible says that God cannot be seen

But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)

Bible says twice that Jesus was accused of being God

But he denied it: According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews opposed Jesus on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be God, he is likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.

Because in these two instances, when charged, in the one
case, with making himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he denied the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal with God, he says immediately:

‘The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the
Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)

In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals
to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

This is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response.
Hastings in ‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading ‘Jesus Christ,’ says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found ancient documents concludes that:

‘The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son
of God are later additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus’ death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of
Jesus.’

Assuming Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God.
What did it mean? We first need to know the language of his people,
the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking.

The Bible says God had many ‘sons’

First, most people think there are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to other persons in the Old or New Testament.

For Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a
true son of God, other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too according to such method.

Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38)

Jacob is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22)

Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14)

Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9)

is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of
God: ‘Ye are the children of the Lord your God’
(Deuteronomy 14:1)

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All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed
are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”

The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense.
Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant
‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.

Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we
read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.

Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.

Additional problems with Trinity

To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man.
This is expressed in the verse:

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.

‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)

Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of
biblical prophecy.

Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?

Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh?
During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings?
If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be
impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)

Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?

Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.

Bible says that God is not man

‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)

‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible

‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)

The Bible says that God is not a son of man

‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)

The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’

‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)

‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)

‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)

‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)

‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)

In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times
speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17;
144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).

Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He
is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.

The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God

Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke
18:19)

And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is
good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)

Jesus did not teach people that he was God

If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.

The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus

‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)

‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)

Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him.
The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.

Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him

‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever
you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)

‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)

If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for
himself

Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.

Jesus worshipped the only true God

‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)

‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)

‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)

How did Jesus pray to God?

‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)

‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up
prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)

Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?

Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?

The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of
the Only True God:

“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship
Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)

Disciples did not believe Jesus was God

The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:

‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a
man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18)

‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)

‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)

When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said

‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)

The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded
by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.

‘they raised their voices together in prayer to
God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)

‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)

‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)

‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)

The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant

‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.

The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by
himself

‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father
doing.’ (John 5:19)

‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)

The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal
with God and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:

‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and
glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)

‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders
and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘he went about doing good and healing all who were
oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)

If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus
did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.

Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles

One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).

Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding.
The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:

‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from
him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark 5:30)

‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands
on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)

Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be
God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.

The Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus

God ,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.

‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened
him – in the garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)

‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and
began to minister to Him’ (Mark. 1:13)

‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by
Satan; and he was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’ (Mark 1:13)

The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done

‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)

‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent
me.’ (John 5:30)

‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)

Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and
less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills
(‘I do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the others’
commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have the exact same will?

The Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two

‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John 8:17-18:)

‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust
also in me.’ (John 14:1)

If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s
testimony as separate from his own.

The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God

‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)

‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made
subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28)

Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning

But God is All Wise & does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.’ (Psalms 147:5)

‘And Jesus increased in wisdom.’ (Luke 2:52)

God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although
he was a son, he learned obedience’ (Heb. 5:8)

Jesus had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is
infinite. Since Jesus did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.

‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.’ (Mark 13:32)

Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be
tempted

’tempted in every way – just as we are’ (Heb. 4:15)

‘for God cannot be tempted by evil’ (James 1:13)

Since God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.

Bible says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from
himself

‘So Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.’ (John 7:16)

Jesus could not have said this if he were God because the
doctrine would have been his.

Bible says that Jesus died, but God cannot die

The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term applies only to God.

Bible says that Jesus lived because of God

‘I live because of the Father.’ (John 6:57)

Jesus cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.

Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him

‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)

God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be God.

Bible says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God

‘As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John 8:28)

‘The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’ (John 12:49)

‘I have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John 15:10)

No one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing
and would owe His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the commander and the commanded are not one.

Bible says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!

‘God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts 2:36)

‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are called ‘Lord.’ For example:

1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)

2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)

3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)

4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)

5) a son called his father Lord (Matt.21:30)

6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)

7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)

‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word
is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was ‘made’ Lord would make no sense.

Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels

‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)

God, the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own
creation, but Jesus was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.

Bible says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’

‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46)

‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)

‘the temple of my God the name of my God the city of my
God comes down out of heaven from my God.’ (Rev. 3:12)

Jesus did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God
is the same as ours.

Bible says that God cannot be seen

But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)

Bible says twice that Jesus was accused of being God

But he denied it: According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews opposed Jesus on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be God, he is likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.

Because in these two instances, when charged, in the one
case, with making himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he denied the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal with God, he says immediately:

‘The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the
Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)

In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals
to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

This is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response.
Hastings in ‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading ‘Jesus Christ,’ says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found ancient documents concludes that:

‘The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son
of God are later additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus’ death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of
Jesus.’

Assuming Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God.
What did it mean? We first need to know the language of his people,
the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking.

The Bible says God had many ‘sons’

First, most people think there are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to other persons in the Old or New Testament.

For Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a
true son of God, other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too according to such method.

Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38)

Jacob is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22)

Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14)

Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9)

is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of
God: ‘Ye are the children of the Lord your God’
(Deuteronomy 14:1)

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90 Verses in the Bible say Jesus is not God

Compiled by TMAI

All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed
are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”

The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense.
Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant
‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.

Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we
read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.

Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.

Additional problems with Trinity

To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man.
This is expressed in the verse:

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.

‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)

Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of
biblical prophecy.

Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?

Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh?
During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings?
If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be
impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)

Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?

Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.

Bible says that God is not man

‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)

‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible

‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)

The Bible says that God is not a son of man

‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)

The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’

‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)

‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)

‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)

‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)

‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)

In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times
speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17;
144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).

Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He
is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.

The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God

Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke
18:19)

And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is
good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)

Jesus did not teach people that he was God

If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.

The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus

‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)

‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)

Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him.
The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.

Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him

‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever
you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)

‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)

If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for
himself

Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.

Jesus worshipped the only true God

‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)

‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)

‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)

How did Jesus pray to God?

‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)

‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up
prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)

Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?

Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?

The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of
the Only True God:

“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship
Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)

Disciples did not believe Jesus was God

The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:

‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a
man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18)

‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)

‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)

When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said

‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)

The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded
by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.

‘they raised their voices together in prayer to
God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)

‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)

‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)

‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)

The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant

‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.

The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by
himself

‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father
doing.’ (John 5:19)

‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)

The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal
with God and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:

‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and
glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)

‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders
and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘he went about doing good and healing all who were
oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)

If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus
did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.

Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles

One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).

Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding.
The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:

‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from
him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark 5:30)

‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands
on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)

Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be
God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.

The Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus

God ,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.

‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened
him – in the garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)

‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and
began to minister to Him’ (Mark. 1:13)

‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by
Satan; and he was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’ (Mark 1:13)

The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done

‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)

‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent
me.’ (John 5:30)

‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)

Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and
less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills
(‘I do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the others’
commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have the exact same will?

The Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two

‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John 8:17-18:)

‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust
also in me.’ (John 14:1)

If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s
testimony as separate from his own.

The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God

‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)

‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made
subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28)

Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning

But God is All Wise & does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.’ (Psalms 147:5)

‘And Jesus increased in wisdom.’ (Luke 2:52)

God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although
he was a son, he learned obedience’ (Heb. 5:8)

Jesus had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is
infinite. Since Jesus did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.

‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.’ (Mark 13:32)

Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be
tempted

’tempted in every way – just as we are’ (Heb. 4:15)

‘for God cannot be tempted by evil’ (James 1:13)

Since God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.

Bible says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from
himself

‘So Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.’ (John 7:16)

Jesus could not have said this if he were God because the
doctrine would have been his.

Bible says that Jesus died, but God cannot die

The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term applies only to God.

Bible says that Jesus lived because of God

‘I live because of the Father.’ (John 6:57)

Jesus cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.

Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him

‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)

God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be God.

Bible says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God

‘As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John 8:28)

‘The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’ (John 12:49)

‘I have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John 15:10)

No one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing
and would owe His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the commander and the commanded are not one.

Bible says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!

‘God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts 2:36)

‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are called ‘Lord.’ For example:

1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)

2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)

3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)

4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)

5) a son called his father Lord (Matt.21:30)

6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)

7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)

‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word
is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was ‘made’ Lord would make no sense.

Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels

‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)

God, the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own
creation, but Jesus was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.

Bible says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’

‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46)

‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)

‘the temple of my God the name of my God the city of my
God comes down out of heaven from my God.’ (Rev. 3:12)

Jesus did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God
is the same as ours.

Bible says that God cannot be seen

But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)

Bible says twice that Jesus was accused of being God

But he denied it: According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews opposed Jesus on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be God, he is likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.

Because in these two instances, when charged, in the one
case, with making himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he denied the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal with God, he says immediately:

‘The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the
Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)

In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals
to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

This is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response.
Hastings in ‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading ‘Jesus Christ,’ says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found ancient documents concludes that:

‘The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son
of God are later additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus’ death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of
Jesus.’

Assuming Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God.
What did it mean? We first need to know the language of his people,
the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking.

The Bible says God had many ‘sons’

First, most people think there are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to other persons in the Old or New Testament.

For Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a
true son of God, other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too according to such method.

Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38)

Jacob is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22)

Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14)

Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9)

is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of
God: ‘Ye are the children of the Lord your God’
(Deuteronomy 14:1)

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Interesting. You managed to say more in a comment then I’ve ever seen in a Disqus debate, but you seemed to not see or ignore my question, almost like your comment was pre-written before we even started discussing this.

With that being said, I see your point about Jesus claiming to not be God, but less then God….

But, I see no Biblical references to support it. Besides, does not Islam teach that the Bible is corrupted anyway?

My friend, you cannot cherry pick verses to fit your beliefs. It just doesn’t work that way.
Unlike the Qur’an, the Bible is written so people can easily understand it, not recite it without knowing the meaning. So I encourage you to read it for yourself.

The Bible does in fact say many times that Jesus is God. Though some are more obvious then others. I encourage you to read the first chapter of the Biblical book of John. In it, Jesus is called “The Word” and it clearly says “…and the Word was God.” And in case there was any doubt that it was Jesus, it latter says “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”

That is just one example my friend. And before you start telling us that The Word doesn’t mean Jesus, check your own Qur’an. There it called Jesus “The Word of God.”

So my point is this
The verses you quoted were incomplete and/or out of context. If you want to better understand the meaning, you read the verses around it as well, instead of asking a —–, or Google online, “Why is Jesus not God” and then copy-paste what the writers say.

On a side note, I am happy to continue this discussion with you, but only if you would be willing to consider my opinion. Otherwise, I see no point in is shooting back and forth that:

My unchanging opinion is right!

No! My unchanging opinion is right!

Then it just brings nothing but uselessly spent time that could have been used elsewhere.

I pray you would have a great day and that God would reveal himself to you.

– Trent Blake

Hello everyone,
I am sorry, but I will no longer be able to participate in the comments. I have been commenting without my parents permission for about two months, and I have been slacking in my school work and home responsibilities.
Thank you for understanding.
Sincerely,
Ethan H.

We’ll miss you, Ethan!

I honestly don’t understand what that has to do with anything. In addition, there is only one Bible, it has just been translated into millions of languages.

MIRACLES OF THE QURAN

Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.

The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.

However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.

In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.

In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.

Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.

However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very

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MIRACLES OF THE QURAN

Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.

The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.

However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.

In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.

In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.

Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.

However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.

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MIRACLES OF THE QURAN

Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.

The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.

However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.

In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.

In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.

Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.

However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.

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MIRACLES OF THE QURAN

Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.

The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.

However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.

In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.

In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.

Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.

However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.

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MIRACLES OF THE QURAN

Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.

The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.

However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.

In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.

In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.

Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.

However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.

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